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YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:12:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

No this is the one I wanted to deal with. While there was a letter suggesting it, there is no evidence it was ever carried out. You would know that if you had read your own link brains.

" But, some subsequent scholars have raised doubts about whether the smallpox outbreak can be traced to blankets from Fort Pitt with certainty."




"Denier"




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:15:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Irony doesn't require a forgery, like the one you just fabricated by editing out the essential words from a sentence and using quotation marks to misrepresent what was actually posted.

Now the fact that you state that the comments and the links to historical fact throughout this thread are about hating the English, instead of being about hating atrocities, is beyond irony.




Yes, I think they would been better served in keeping on the topic of India.

I am wondering when the Opium War or the induced Iran famines would be brought into play.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: YN

Biological warfare too.

And you do know what Terra nullius means? The Spanish liked that principle too, since natives were not human, "Nobody owns the Land."



The only way you could stretch the Spanish using biological warfare in the new world is by making the claim they knowingly brought men infected with the small pox virus to the US with the intention of infecting the natives.

Of course, since the Spanish couldnt keep there cocks in their pants, they took syphilis back to Europe.



The Spaniards were capable of other evil things, but seem to have missed using biological weapons.

Terra Nullius is a separate matter, all the EU's conquistadores thought that a fine principle.




Owner59 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:48:32 PM)

Your ancestors(assuming you have European blood) managed to destroy whole nations and cultures that where centuries old and managed to kill/get rid of millions of indigenous people....enslaved who was left and continued this barbarism, for generations and generations.........


This organized mass rape/murder/theft was intentional,planned and government policy.


Are you trying to cope with that guilt by projecting it toward the Brits?


Are the Spanish considering returning all the gold,silver, copper and gems ?


Keep us updated.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:53:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Your ancestors(assuming you have European blood) managed to destroy whole nations and cultures that where centuries old and managed to kill/get rid of millions of indigenous people....enslaved who was left and continued this barbarism, for generations and generations.........


This organized mass rape/murder/theft was intentional,planned and government policy.


Are you trying to cope with that guilt by projecting it toward the Brits?


Are the Spanish considering returning all the gold,silver, copper and gems ?


Keep us updated.



Short answer - No.

And as I noted earlier in this thread, Spain recently made similar mistake in demanding the Peruvian treasure ship, and then meeting the heads of the nations and asking for money.

King Carlos is as capable of putting his feet in his mouth as Cameron.




Politesub53 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 3:57:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

No this is the one I wanted to deal with. While there was a letter suggesting it, there is no evidence it was ever carried out. You would know that if you had read your own link brains.

" But, some subsequent scholars have raised doubts about whether the smallpox outbreak can be traced to blankets from Fort Pitt with certainty."




"Denier"


Yes yes prick.......carry on with the denier insults, as its my fault your own link doesnt support your claim.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 4:04:05 PM)

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.




Politesub53 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 4:11:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 4:23:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




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During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.


Apparently you don't understand words written in your native tongue.




Politesub53 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 4:27:11 PM)

Yawns.

Your error old chap, its just a shame you havent got the balls to own it.




BamaD -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 5:10:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




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During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.


Apparently you don't understand words written in your native tongue.

Had you read the post you would have noticed that the reason some scholars disagree is that SMALLPOX WAS ALREADY LOOSE AMONG THE NATIVE AMERICANS. Do not refer to the shooting captives as being shot was a much better fate than that which awaited British who fell into indian hands.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 5:18:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: YN


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




quote:

During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.


Apparently you don't understand words written in your native tongue.

Had you read the post you would have noticed that the reason some scholars disagree is that SMALLPOX WAS ALREADY LOOSE AMONG THE NATIVE AMERICANS. Do not refer to the shooting captives as being shot was a much better fate than that which awaited British who fell into indian hands.




"Some scholars" deny the Jewish holocaust occurred.

The simple truth is the English officers decided to use smallpox infected cloth in an attempt (if successful or not) to infect the Indians, and did so while the Governor General of North America endorsed such activities in writing.





jlf1961 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 6:11:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: YN


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




quote:

During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.


Apparently you don't understand words written in your native tongue.

Had you read the post you would have noticed that the reason some scholars disagree is that SMALLPOX WAS ALREADY LOOSE AMONG THE NATIVE AMERICANS. Do not refer to the shooting captives as being shot was a much better fate than that which awaited British who fell into indian hands.



Lets see, how do I put this?

Oh yeah, the fucking Spanish introduced smallpox to the Indians of central and south America, then spread it north into the area now known as the United States.

Through interaction among the tribes, small pox went across the US like a wild fire.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 6:31:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: YN


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: YN

"denier"

You asked for evidence, you got it, and I see others are already taking you to account for it.


As I said, your own link clearly states otherwise. Its a shame you dont even understand what you post.




quote:

During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.


Apparently you don't understand words written in your native tongue.

Had you read the post you would have noticed that the reason some scholars disagree is that SMALLPOX WAS ALREADY LOOSE AMONG THE NATIVE AMERICANS. Do not refer to the shooting captives as being shot was a much better fate than that which awaited British who fell into indian hands.



Lets see, how do I put this?

Oh yeah, the fucking Spanish introduced smallpox to the Indians of central and south America, then spread it north into the area now known as the United States.

Through interaction among the tribes, small pox went across the US like a wild fire.



Smallpox was only one of the diseases Spain "introduced."

They also brought the Black Plague, typhus, measles, flu, yellow fever, and several other things. As did every other European Conquistadore.

http://suite101.com/article/columbian-exchange-diseases--latin-america--the-old-world-a241749

In meager defense of the Spaniards, since I and any anyone else considering their conduct do not think the they or any other of the European savages cared, was that they did not have any idea of the effects at least at first, thougt doubt it would have bothered them or any other European in any manner whatsoever if they did know.

This lot are the ones who think a human fetus cut out of the womb are the ideal food for their attack dogs, however these diseases also took a smaller percentage toll from the invaders, and also killed those they enslaved.




Powergamz1 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:05:13 PM)

That 'others have done it too' red herring won't fly.

The OP article wasn't about all the oppression that has ever taken place, it was about the country that owes *India* an apology for atrocities, and the return of stolen goods. The logical extension of that was to point out the rest of the iceberg.


It isn't Portugese posters who flood this forum with attempts to blame everyone else for all the world's ills. It isn't French posters who have filled this thread and the other one with posts denying the atrocities even took place.
It isn't Chinese posters here claiming that others are cowards who did nothing during WWI.
It isn't African posters here blaming the 'former colonials' for being victims.

Now take a look at the posters here who regularly criticize all atrocities, *including* American atrocities like Tuskegee, Phillipines, Iran, Vietnam, GWOT, et al. head on instead of playing 'My country right or wrong'.

Your premise hasn't got a leg to stand on.








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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Your ancestors(assuming you have European blood) managed to destroy whole nations and cultures that where centuries old and managed to kill/get rid of millions of indigenous people....enslaved who was left and continued this barbarism, for generations and generations.........


This organized mass rape/murder/theft was intentional,planned and government policy.


Are you trying to cope with that guilt by projecting it toward the Brits?


Are the Spanish considering returning all the gold,silver, copper and gems ?


Keep us updated.






Powergamz1 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:11:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: YN


The simple truth is the English officers decided to use smallpox infected cloth in an attempt (if successful or not) to infect the Indians, and did so while the Governor General of North America endorsed such activities in writing.




A tactical notion they most certainly did not invent... but did carry on long after it was well known to be...how shall we put this? I would say 'barbaric', but that unfairly tarnishes the reputation of the Maghreb...

Ahh... long after it was considered atrocious.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:12:40 PM)

Most the United States seem to fancy they are still English, or at least some other type of European colonial, you wonder why they bothered to revolt. Even those called every name in the book by the Europeans for being republicans, thinking they should be armed, thinking European governmental rule is worthless, etc.




Powergamz1 -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:19:45 PM)

What scares me is how many Americans seem hell bent on throwing the last 250 years of progress out the window.



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ORIGINAL: YN

Most the United States seem to fancy they are still English, or at least some other type of European colonial, you wonder why they bothered to revolt. Even those called every name in the book by the Europeans for being republicans, thinking they should be armed, thinking European governmental rule is worthless, etc.






YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:47:58 PM)

The next great world war is coming, certainly initiated by the EU, you can hope this hemisphere stays out and let the Eurasian savages kill each other. North Americans need to decide which part of the world they really belong to.

As for India, they are reaching the point where they can handle themselves, and the English haven't figured out yet how India is now or soon to been the major player in their empire, and any amount of humiliation or ridicule heaped on India by the English will ensure and equal and opposite reaction with interest added. Cameron would have done far more for England if he stayed home this trip. And the little web war over the matter wasn't pretty, I would say the English lost that hands down, at least from what I observed on sites in India and the UK.

As for us the EU has funded a great campaign to convince Latin America, England and the United States they are wonderful people, they might as well just send us the money for liquor. Here is the English translation of the materials certain governments have retrieved from Brussels -

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Part of the full text written a memo from the EU media and Communications Bureau also includes the following recommendations and signed and addressed to Barusto and reads

"Whilst the major democracies of the world are experiencing the full effects of the drive to austerity and have their own political problems, the success of Europe has created enemies that would seek to deflect their own problems towards Europe.

Although it is to be welcomed that the US elections produced a satisfactory result, we have to consider that major political upheaval is still possible and the economic problems are far from over, and although we might have a friend in the current Government, the opposition is still widely hostile to the European success and they will have no hesitation in using lobbying by both multi national corporations and others who seek to take advantage of any perceived turmoil in Europe.

China has allowed disinformation regarding Europe to spread and ion the whole the Chinese are substantially less accommodating towards Europe and this can be seen in its refusal to compromise and to aid world market stability by contributing to Europe in acknowledgment of the very substantial European contribution to its own success.

China together with Russia and India and to a lesser extent the countries of South America are on balance expressing negative views relating to Europe and are quite happy to foster that feeling of disillusionment amongst the indigenous peoples as somehow caused in some part by problems in Europe.

No efforts have been made to address this perception, and foreign powers worldwide are tending to use the excuse of Europe and as a scapegoat for problems caused primarily by their failure to educate their citizens as to the benefits of Europe and as a model for their own success, preferring instead to offer or decline to counteract the populist view.

In Europe itself, Italy and The Netherlands are expressing negative views regarding Europe on a scale that could cause serious problems going forward and the UK in particular has a level of negative sentiment that is now being fueled by the current administration.

After considering what is required to stabilize the EU project as a whole and to educate not only European citizens as to the benefits of the Single Market and a United Strong Europe, but the wider world also, we should provide the equivalent level of budget to enforce and disseminate the virtues of Europe as those who would seek to inform the negative aspects.

An appropriate budget should be allocated with an initial three million Euros to conduct a detailed feasibility study and to prepare the ground for an extended campaign for the next five years.

We anticipate such a budget should be not less than two hundred and seventy five million Euros each year, with an annual review and cost benefit analysis and with an open mandate to escalate such budget as the need arises.

This level of budget for marketing purposes is not inconsistent with the level of budget that most successful organizations would set aside to ensure the growth, success and to counteract negative potential arising from such expenditure."


It is not only the English who are making these missteps, nor will it only be the English who have such fall on deaf ears.




YN -> RE: UK apology for India massacre? (2/24/2013 7:51:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1


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ORIGINAL: YN


The simple truth is the English officers decided to use smallpox infected cloth in an attempt (if successful or not) to infect the Indians, and did so while the Governor General of North America endorsed such activities in writing.




A tactical notion they most certainly did not invent... but did carry on long after it was well known to be...how shall we put this? I would say 'barbaric', but that unfairly tarnishes the reputation of the Maghreb...

Ahh... long after it was considered atrocious.




Well, I was producing evidence it occurred in specific case in English North America, the history of such conduct would certainly fill a forum and when dealing with such paladins of England it appears best to keep with simple sentences and ideas.




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