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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/8/2013 8:43:18 PM

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I understand that many people didn't like her. I understand that her policies were very polarizing. I understand that her death is a natural time to discuss her legacy, good or bad. But there's a difference between criticizing those policies and saying things like: [etc]

If you were here, muhly, you'd hear that, much more of it, and much worse.

Look, seriously, for those that are attempting to invoke 'good manners', 'sympathy', 'respect for the recently departed' etc, etc - can I suggest that you stop wasting your time and energy? People just are going to vent their anger here. You might as well argue against the weather.

Every time I hear the phrase 'good manners' in regard to this issue, right now, I think of Thatcher's government sending London coppers up north to help quell the miners' strikes, then coming home to talk gleefully about taunting those miners with lines like 'I'm on overtime, so I can afford a good Christmas - and you're only on strike pay, you cunt'. My own father was one of those coppers.

That was *not* good manners. Do you see? You're on a hiding to nothing. Sarky meows from high horses aren't going to cut it here.

I'm sure you're right, unfortunately.

Back when I was in Model UN in undergrad, people talked all the time about how Americans were so uncouth. I won't say that there aren't Americans who behave like this in various instances, but this makes me feel more secure about the so-called moral superiority of Europeans, or the lack thereof.

Apparently we're all just a bunch of fucking barbarians.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/8/2013 8:55:12 PM

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MARGARET Thatcher’s famous line “The lady’s not for turning” has gone down as one of the former prime minister’s most-quoted expressions.
The phrase referred to her refusal to do a U-turn on her economic policy after unemployment rocketed by 500,000 in just one year to hit 2million.
But the Iron Lady made a number of pithy remarks during her 87 years ... Some quips:
1) Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.
2) If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.
3) I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
4) To wear your heart on your sleeve isn’t a very good plan; you should wear it inside, where it functions best.
5) It is not the creation of wealth that is wrong, but the love of money for its own sake.
6) To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.
7) I’ve got a woman’s ability to stick to a job and get on with it when everyone else walks off and leaves it.
8) To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.
9) I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
10) There is no such thing as Society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.
11) If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn’t swim.
12) Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.
13) We want a society where people are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. This is what we mean by a moral society; not a society where the state is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the state.
14) You need quite good shock absorbers and a sense of humour to be the Prime Minister’s child.
15) “I don’t mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do what I say.”

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/8/2013 10:23:45 PM

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As an American, the notion of lefties being surrounded by right-wing propaganda just makes me laugh my ass off. Quite the opposite here.

Forgotten Fox News already Rich ?

LOL. Don't be idiotic, Polite.

Fox News is a cable channel, not a broadcast network. Know enough about how TV is delivered in the US to understand what that means? On cable, they are typically in the premium package, rather than basic, where you will find CNN and MSNBC. They get talked about, and villified, simply because they are the only alternate voice in a sea of national news station liberalism, where what was once the premier broadcast news program has gone to air with forged documents, in an effort to swing an election to the Democrats.

FNC is in every basic cable channel I could easily look up. It wouldn't have the ratings it has if it wasn't.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/8/2013 10:48:20 PM

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There's lots of talk about Thatcher's legacy from various quarters.

Some credit her (wrongly IMHO) with reviving the British economy. Some credit her with imposing 'economic rationalism' on the UK and thence the world. This is not an achievement I would be proud of, nor would I want it to define my legacy. Others view her passing with a sense of joy and liberation.

I can't remember any other Western politician who, even in death, could still evoke such an outpouring of hatred and contempt - even though her death came several decades after she lost power. It's as though she was a Ghaddafi, a Persian Shah or an Idi Amin. For me, the passion and strength of that vitriol is her defining legacy and a salient reminder of just how destructive her time in power was.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 12:05:49 AM

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Apparently we're all just a bunch of fucking barbarians.

True enough. But I still feel a lot better about Americans after watching this circus.

K.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 12:07:55 AM

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 3:17:42 AM

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There's lots of talk about Thatcher's legacy from various quarters.

Some credit her (wrongly IMHO) with reviving the British economy. Some credit her with imposing 'economic rationalism' on the UK and thence the world. This is not an achievement I would be proud of, nor would I want it to define my legacy. Others view her passing with a sense of joy and liberation.

I can't remember any other Western politician who, even in death, could still evoke such an outpouring of hatred and contempt - even though her death came several decades after she lost power. It's as though she was a Ghaddafi, a Persian Shah or an Idi Amin. For me, the passion and strength of that vitriol is her defining legacy and a salient reminder of just how destructive her time in power was.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-with-no-idea-who-thatcher-was-ecstatic-that-shes-dead-2013040865066

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 3:19:40 AM

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Apparently we're all just a bunch of fucking barbarians.

True enough. But I still feel a lot better about Americans after watching this circus.

K.

Looking at the photo none of those celebrating would have been adults when Thatcher was in power. It says more about the left in the UK than about Thatcher.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 3:30:19 AM

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Your first link was funny, but if you are actually arguing that people should only have opinions on things they experienced first hand then I wasted my time with the old history degree didn't I? Or are you suggesting that the left live in the past? If that is the case I would actually be inclined to agree with you. Blaming Thatcher does nothing about the present reality.

ETA: the man on the left of that photo looks like he could remember Atlee being in power, never mind Thatcher.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 4:15:39 AM

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There's lots of talk about Thatcher's legacy from various quarters.

Some credit her (wrongly IMHO) with reviving the British economy. Some credit her with imposing 'economic rationalism' on the UK and thence the world. This is not an achievement I would be proud of, nor would I want it to define my legacy. Others view her passing with a sense of joy and liberation.

I can't remember any other Western politician who, even in death, could still evoke such an outpouring of hatred and contempt - even though her death came several decades after she lost power. It's as though she was a Ghaddafi, a Persian Shah or an Idi Amin. For me, the passion and strength of that vitriol is her defining legacy and a salient reminder of just how destructive her time in power was.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-with-no-idea-who-thatcher-was-ecstatic-that-shes-dead-2013040865066

Should I give the article you linked the same cred I gave to other articles in the DailyMash's Politics section, especially the "MPs to be paid in food stamps" and the "Britons reclassified as snails" articles?

Actually re-classifying Brits as 'snails' mightn't be wacky as it sounds. It could lead to a whole new industry exporting Brits to France, where snails are highly valued as gastronomic delights.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 4:44:36 AM

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the notion of blowing millions on a state funeral for the sow in the middle of all this "austerity" bullshit and the dismantling of the NHS offensive...

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 5:06:29 AM

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Just found an amusing typo, that should entertain the limeys:

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 6:45:40 AM

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FR

All I have to say on the matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOEq-ImGWJ0

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 7:04:37 AM

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There's a lot more to say than that:
Billy Bragg - Thatcherites

Elvis Costello - Tramp The Dirt Down

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 7:12:32 AM

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It's so lovely to see the left showing off their superior compassion and loving character.

We wait till their dead, the right does it while they still live.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 8:03:53 AM

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Yes, cuz he was a nice man on tv. He was a very inatimate dildo in real life.

nah cant see how dutch just being a nice guy on tv would cut it coz tha race was for his second term as prez. no way he would win every single state cept his dem opponents home state based only on smoke & mirrors.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 8:33:38 AM

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Your youth is the problem there, the voters grew up adoring him on television, he was as deep in senility as they were longing for the good old days.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 8:38:34 AM

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Your youth is the problem there, the voters grew up adoring him on television, he was as deep in senility as they were longing for the good old days.

ya may be onto something there but reckon it still cant explain tha massive second term popularity coz no amount of nostalgia is that potent.

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 8:38:45 AM

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We ?!?
We wait till their (they are )dead, the right does it while they still live.
I spoke to my dad after he was dead ... but achieved more with my messages to him when I was alive !
You ... not "we" ... must be a very happy medium!

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RE: Margaret Thatcher Dead - 4/9/2013 8:39:05 AM

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Yes, cuz he was a nice man on tv. He was a very inatimate dildo in real life.

nah cant see how dutch just being a nice guy on tv would cut it coz tha race was for his second term as prez. no way he would win every single state cept his dem opponents home state based only on smoke & mirrors.

Mondale was a terrible candidate. His failure should not be interpreted as there having been overwhelming support for Reagan and his policies.

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