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handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:48:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rawni

handonyourneck... just for you.

However, I would have you sitting there for my needlepoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2_1bWlwnVk


Right. I'll pass. Cool video though.




MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:49:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61

O.o no way Tazzy

To the OP... It would be against TOS to call you a ..... never mind you are not worth the gold mail

ETA the stuff after the ellipses and remove my NYer from the equation



Oh no, did you just call me a name? Now I'm hurt. Nobody's ever done that to me on the Internet before.

Really? ok time for My shock face [sm=excuseme.gif]

you have all this wonderful advice... and since you knoooooowwwww so much about how to do it... why don't you go ahead and start your own site and implement all those wonderful things to protect the people who no matter what you do will still fall for the same shit all of the time. Oh wait nevermind those who can do.... those who can't criticize.



Your argument would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that proper automated screening would prevent the people you speak of from seeing the fake profiles to begin with. Of course, no system is perfect, but certainly a better job could be done.

Amazing.... no ones argument makes sense to you. So basically you started this thread to bitch.... and when people add to it all you can say is "I can do it better" and tell everyone exactly how they are wrong. Is that the gist of it?

ETA the a in thread since thred don't work well




tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:49:32 PM)

Oh come on. Surely a big, bad tough dominant isnt afraid of a simple question.




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:51:17 PM)

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Oh wait nevermind those who can do.... those who can't criticize.


but you can criticize the OP?
guess that is the "do"


I read his "criticism" as something he cares about. Something that he thinks might be good for the website.
We might disagree, but just being negative is to easy.





MasterCaneman -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:53:12 PM)

I'm just reading this and eating popcorn now. Love these threads sooooo much...




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:54:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I'm just reading this and eating popcorn now. Love these threads sooooo much...


sweet or salty popcorn?
because we need to know this for this thread.




MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:54:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ravishers

quote:

Oh wait nevermind those who can do.... those who can't criticize.


but you can criticize the OP?
guess that is the "do"



If you can show me once here (or anywhere for that matter) where I said I could do it better, please show me. So yes that means I criticize, but at least I am willing to admit it. Now answer Me this. Why do I get the feeling that you are
1. Handonyourneck or
2. someone who is really close to him right now?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:55:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
Certainly. I will share the reasons/complaints I've encountered from clients I've done similar work for in the past.

That is other clients, not THIS site.

Lets have a look at some home truths shall we???
quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
1) Advertisers want accurate member counts. Artificially inflating your member base can cost you money and your sites credibility.

Advertisers don't give a shit as long as they get a return on their advertising.
The bigger the numbers the more they can potentially earn.
This is not some high-class designer outfit website where accuracy is preferred over numbers.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
2) Fake accounts that upload images use up valuable storage and bandwidth, which cost you money.

Members are able to report images.
If you don't want to use the site tools then you are part of the problem, not the solution [:D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
3) If the object of a personals site (even a BDSM one) is to grow its member base (which it is), ensuring the accounts on your site are actual people should be an integral part of your business practice. Nobody wants to invest time wading through fake accounts and fake emails.

Fake accounts are on every single personals webpage across the whole internet.
Are you wanting CM to start a world-wide campaign to obliterate them??

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
4) Exposing your members to these fake accounts leaves them vulnerable to phishing and other online scams will eventually lead to site abandonment. Not everyone is savvy enough to spot them. Being party to someone getting ripped off, even unintentionally, can hurt a site's reputation.

Nope. not at all.
Just hide and block - you can't be phished.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
5) It hurts your credibility with the internet at large. I don't know any business owner who would enjoy googling his business only to find entire sites devoted to exposing the very fake accounts we're discussing here.

Credibility means nothing as long as the money keeps pouring in.
Most site owners really don't give a shit as long as they stay within the law.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
I also don't know many business owners who would want to network their site with a site that can't keep a handle on this kind of activity. Circulation of traffic is the lifeblood of this business. I direct to you, you direct to me, we all make money.

ALL the sites are full of fakes (even the pay sites) and each is as bad as the other if you look.
You obviously haven't met many site owners.
Your assertion is false.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
6) Fake accounts can get you blacklisted with search engines and toolbars.

Actually, the exact OPPOSITE is true!!
The more entries you have for your site (fake or otherwise) will bring more entries to any search engine and that will usually generate more revenue in one form or another.
You obviously have no clue about e-commerce do you. [:)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
Those are just off the top of my head.

And all completely WRONG!!


ETA: One extremely GOOD example of everything you say is wrong about this site (and all the other sites out there) and is arguably the most popular website is........ eBay!!!
That has sooo many fake items, fake traders, scammers.... you name it, it's got it.
And yet in the last decade it's become a world-wide phenomenon frequented by litterally billions of people every single day and features on just about every single search engine you can throw at it! [8D]

Ebay don't police their site and they specifically state in their ToS (just like CM) that they do not do so.
Are you going to argue against the most popular, most prominent, most searched website in the world??

Get a grip and stop bitching will ya.




Rawni -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:56:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I'm just reading this and eating popcorn now. Love these threads sooooo much...


LOL I am still waiting for all the knights in armor that come rushing in to save a damsel in distress from our mob mentality. I guess they don't protect newbie men.

While I wait... care to share the pop corn? I have soda and chocolate. [:)]




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:57:56 PM)

Are you even on the same WEBSITE as I am? I've gotten thousands of messages and the only spam I've ever received is from the very rare jughead who eagerly contacts too many Dommes with the same message, thereby triggering the spam alert. I also browse a lot, and I'm not seeing these spam accounts you are complaining about.


quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck

Seriously. How do you use a site where 95% of the messages and profile views you receive are CLEARLY spam accounts? At the very least they could flag accounts with the SAME URL in every profile description or members that claim to be "native american" and are clearly not.






MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:57:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
Certainly. I will share the reasons/complaints I've encountered from clients I've done similar work for in the past.

That is other clients, not THIS site.

Lets have a look at some home truths shall we???
quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
1) Advertisers want accurate member counts. Artificially inflating your member base can cost you money and your sites credibility.

Advertisers don't give a shit as long as they get a return on their advertising.
The bigger the numbers the more they can potentially earn.
This is not some high-class designer outfit website where accuracy is preferred over numbers.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
2) Fake accounts that upload images use up valuable storage and bandwidth, which cost you money.

Members are able to report images.
If you don't want to use the site tools then you are part of the problem, not the solution [:D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
3) If the object of a personals site (even a BDSM one) is to grow its member base (which it is), ensuring the accounts on your site are actual people should be an integral part of your business practice. Nobody wants to invest time wading through fake accounts and fake emails.

Fake accounts are on every single personals webpage across the whole internet.
Are you wanting CM to start a world-wide campaign to obliterate them??

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
4) Exposing your members to these fake accounts leaves them vulnerable to phishing and other online scams will eventually lead to site abandonment. Not everyone is savvy enough to spot them. Being party to someone getting ripped off, even unintentionally, can hurt a site's reputation.

Nope. not at all.
Just hide and block - you can't be phished.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
5) It hurts your credibility with the internet at large. I don't know any business owner who would enjoy googling his business only to find entire sites devoted to exposing the very fake accounts we're discussing here.

Credibility means nothing as long as the money keeps pouring in.
Most site owners really don't give a shit as long as they stay within the law.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
I also don't know many business owners who would want to network their site with a site that can't keep a handle on this kind of activity. Circulation of traffic is the lifeblood of this business. I direct to you, you direct to me, we all make money.

ALL the sites are full of fakes (even the pay sites) and each is as bad as the other if you look.
You obviously haven't met many site owners.
Your assertion is false.

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
6) Fake accounts can get you blacklisted with search engines and toolbars.

Actually, the exact OPPOSITE is true!!
The more entries you have for your site (fake or otherwise) will bring more entries to any search engine and that will usually generate more revenue in one form or another.
You obviously have no clue about e-commerce do you. [:)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
Those are just off the top of my head.

And all completely WRONG!!


OMG... I think I just fell in love with a dwarf (does that make Me kinky?)




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:57:59 PM)

quote:

Why do I get the feeling that you are


lol, are you not used to the fact that more people might disagree with you..or..agree with some one else?




ShaharThorne -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:58:25 PM)

I love you FD for proving my point...I could not have said it better.

Now back to fighting monsters...I think the OP has BPD and just ate his own can of crap.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:58:57 PM)

I'll do just about anything for chocolate. Milk or dark?




handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 12:59:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MisterP61

quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


quote:

ORIGINAL: MisterP61


quote:

ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


quote:

ORIGINAL: MisterP61

O.o no way Tazzy

To the OP... It would be against TOS to call you a ..... never mind you are not worth the gold mail

ETA the stuff after the ellipses and remove my NYer from the equation



Oh no, did you just call me a name? Now I'm hurt. Nobody's ever done that to me on the Internet before.

Really? ok time for My shock face [sm=excuseme.gif]

you have all this wonderful advice... and since you knoooooowwwww so much about how to do it... why don't you go ahead and start your own site and implement all those wonderful things to protect the people who no matter what you do will still fall for the same shit all of the time. Oh wait nevermind those who can do.... those who can't criticize.



Your argument would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that proper automated screening would prevent the people you speak of from seeing the fake profiles to begin with. Of course, no system is perfect, but certainly a better job could be done.

Amazing.... no ones argument makes sense to you. So basically you started this thread to bitch.... and when people add to it all you can say is "I can do it better" and tell everyone exactly how they are wrong. Is that the gist of it?

ETA the a in thread since thred don't work well



Not really no. If you're wrong, I'll tell you, because I'm speaking from a place of professional experience. Basically what's happened here is I voiced a valid complaint and a pile-on ensued to discredit that complaint by way of ad hominem attacks and not-so-clever word play. What boggles my mind is the complaint is still completely valid and indefensible, yet y'all continue to defend it anyway and all the "why don't you fix it yourselfs" and "if you dont like it, leaves" are not going to change that fact.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:00:30 PM)

Wow, 3 more posts in about 11 seconds. Six pages, and this thread started this morning?




handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:01:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh come on. Surely a big, bad tough dominant isnt afraid of a simple question.


I'm sorry, are you waiting for me to ask you what your question is? You can just go ahead and ask it you know.




tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:01:34 PM)

~FR

I would think a programmer would know the proper channels to go through to make site suggestions. Maybe thats a quirk of mine.... but a message board where the technicians or the owners are not likely to see the messages would not seem to be a likely place to make any effective site change suggestions.

Nor do I blame him for ignoring me. [:D] Im quite scary




VideoAdminChi -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:01:59 PM)

FR,

Please remain civil.

[sm=adminwatch.gif]




MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:02:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ravishers

quote:

Why do I get the feeling that you are


lol, are you not used to the fact that more people might disagree with you..or..agree with some one else?


nope (btw you missed the rest of the why do I get the feeling that you are but meh)

I have no problem with disagreeing at all. I was an honest assessment. If you say you are not then I take that for what its worth. You didnt answer my question though so still curious as to the answer [8D]




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