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The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know ... - 7/20/2013 5:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recently posted a link that debunked some basic misconceptions about crime in America. These statistics could not be verified by me and the authors motivation may be in question… So I am going to get personal… by personal I mean my experience and experiences of some of my friends. I am only going to comment on a few issues in my home town that are in the news now and a few basic thoughts that are common among friends. I do not mean the following comments to be comprehensive or representative of any but those mentioned.

First crime… I have many friends in local law enforcement. President Obama mentioned how black men in America or often followed and profiled by security in retail stores. I can tell you without using names that the vast majority of shop lifting in my area is committed by African Americans. A head of security at a popular retail outlet tells me that 94 percent of those caught in his store or African Americans… often repeat offenders. He told me that they follow no one but have a comprehensive camera system. I asked him if he singled out African Americans to watch and he told me yes but it was only because of the history in the store.

Burglaries: Again in my town the vast majority of home invasions…car break ins and thefts are by African Americans.

Murders: In my town African Americans have killed three police officers…a public works director…a mayor…and two councilmen. Last week we had a black on white murder on the street behind my home. All in the last few years. There have been no white on black murders... or any white on white murder for that matter. The city of St Louis has hundreds every year almost all African Americans. A while back a white girl was murdered because she would not give her cell phone to a black man… A white peace officer was setting in his vehicle when a black man shot him in the side of the head… No reason other than he was white...there are many more examples I could post.

Assaults: Whites are assaulted almost daily by African Americans at public events…restaurants…theaters…on public transport or just walking on the streets in black neighborhoods. I can not think of ONE instance of whites attacking African Americans in my area. I’m sure it happens but if so they are not reported in the news… I certainly have not seen this but… on multiple occasions I have seen whites assaulted either physically of verbally by blacks.

Now whites in my area are trying to understand what may be causing the disparity in crime between the races but they are frustrated when they hear blacks complaining how young black teens need to be warned of the Zimmerman’s in this world when it is the white children that are much more likely to be a victim of crime at the hands of African Americans. If anything black teens need to be warned about violence from their own race not whites.

Another contentious issue in my area right now is education. Several school districts that are predominantly African American have lost their accreditation. Under a court ruling all children, and I mean thousands, may attend any accredited school of their choice and the host school MUST accept them… Even if this means over crowding and reduced quality of education. The home unaccredited district is supposed to pay the host for these students but they can’t because the disparity of tax support between the two.

African Americans are up in arms because some host district parents do not want these children in their schools. African Americans say it is discrimination where the host schools say it is not… they say they have African Americans in their schools too and are only worried about over crowding.


Most of my friends say why could not the people in the unaccredited school districts support their schools as they do. Would it not be better for the state to temporarily take over the schools…hire competent teachers and administrators and bring these schools up to accreditation? How will bussing these children as much as 20 miles from their neighborhoods be good for their education?

The above are just a few of the problems in the African American community and these problems are directly affecting whites as well and blacks.

Many whites are afraid to comment on these problems because when they do they are immediately called racists by African Americans in this area…So they just shut up and keep it to themselves…They have little sympathy for the black experience because they know they are not the cause of their problems and feel it is time for blacks to stop using racism as an excuse. They believe blacks need to realize that responsibility begins at their doorstep.

Are we, meaning my friends, right about the problems of blacks not being our fault? I think not… as I’ve stated before the problems of many African Americans are systematic and have many origins and not so easy to fix…. But….there is no excuse not to support schools… keep children out of gangs and off the streets… support their local police…demand community action to stop the killing…in other words take responsibility of their own lives and stop blaming others for their problems.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:21:54 PM   
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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:33:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		My question is this... is it mostly blacks, or is it mostly blacks who are reported by the media?

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:33:40 PM   
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the disparity of tax support

I've long wondered why education is often funded in a way that seems guaranteed to deepen class differences.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:42:34 PM   
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Much of the issues with crime is not so much African Americans but a problem of poverty and lack of perceived social mobility. In the big northern metropolises crime is most often committed by minorities because they make up the bulk of the lower class in those areas. Got to the rural south, for instance, and the crimes are mostly committed by whites because they are the bulk of the poor in those areas.

We have created a society where education is not valued and that results in young people who see no future for themselves and naturally some of them turn to crime. In the urban areas it may be selling drugs and robbery. In the rural areas it is making drugs, cooking meth is a huge problem in many rural areas, and a variety of other criminal activities that lead to violence probably at the same rate as it does elsewhere.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:43:04 PM   
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the disparity of tax support

I've long wondered why education is often funded in a way that seems guaranteed to deepen class differences.

Because it's much easier to exploit people who perceive themselves as victims? Not meaning to be crass, but a certain political party has made much use of this tactic over the past four decades to win elections. Because that's all that really matters to some folks, it seems. And I'm not saying another political party hasn't done the same on the other side of the aisle as well, just in a slightly different way.

We're all being played here. And the only winners are those in power or connections to them.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:47:57 PM   
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As long as a group of people can be convinced that they "owe" something to another group of people, that other group of people will continue to push as much as they can and to hope that the guilt will keep them from being found out.

It's what's provided scumbags like Fat Al(bert) Sharpton and Jesse (I see racism in your company and if you don't hire my people to "train" your people, I'm going to ruin you) Jackson to exist.



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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:49:03 PM   
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My question is this... is it mostly blacks, or is it mostly blacks who are reported by the media?


It is so unusual for a white to murder in St. Louis that when it happens there is a huge media response... Such as the man who killed his family...where there are black murderers most every day, and that is not an exaggeration, so there is often little coverage. The lack of coverage is not discrimination just so common place that it is not a big story. So I would say it is not discrimination by the media.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:53:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The school districts in question receive more aid from the state than the accredited schools. The difference is in the willingness or lack there of to pass local school tax increases. That means that the accredited schools spend more per student than the unaccredited even with more aid...So the host has to make up the difference... Otherwise I am subsidizing another school districts school taxes when they refuse to pay.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:54:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a handful of black friends. Thru out this trial and hoopla- they manage to stay above the noise- even being an example.


as to OP- I recommend conceal carry of a pistol

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:55:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do believe this is true to a point... but we have a huge Bosnian population as well as Asians and Muslims and they have relatively low crime rates and at an equivalent economic situation.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:57:06 PM   
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Before the African slave trade got into full swing, the need for labor in the colonies was supplied by white slaves. They were mainly Irish, though many were shipped from Britain and Scotland as well. There was in some cases a pretense of indenture and eventual manumission, but in the meantime they were property. They could be bought and sold as chattel. And in practice, few lived long enough or were paid enough ever to see the light of freedom.

The white slave trade in America preceded and continued for a time alongside the trade in African slaves. White slaves were cheaper than African slaves. But as the colonies grew, even the wholesale rape of Ireland could not supply sufficient labor. Note, too, that in addition to the trans-Atlantic slave trade, whites in southern Europe routinely fell victim to a flourishing Mediterranean slave trade.

And, it wasn't just whites who owned slaves in America. Blacks and Indians also owned slaves, including white slaves. So claims that the history of black slavery in America supports some kind of special entitlement for blacks, or excuses or explains the violent and dysfunctional sub-culture within the black community that is responsible almost half of our entire national homicide rate, are pure and unmitigated bunk.

The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten White Slaves: The slaves that time forgot
When Europeans were Slaves: Research suggests white slavery was much more common than previously believed

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:57:53 PM   
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I dont know the area, but I am reading that most crime happens on the North Side, which from my understanding is heavily populated with black people. Is that the area you live in?

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 6:58:11 PM   
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Because it's much easier to exploit people who perceive themselves as victims


I'm not sure what you mean by this? The host schools are in predominantly Republican areas and the unaccredited schools are in a Democratic stronghold. How does this exploit?

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:03:40 PM   
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Because it's much easier to exploit people who perceive themselves as victims


I'm not sure what you mean by this? The host schools are in predominantly Republican areas and the unaccredited schools are in a Democratic stronghold. How does this exploit?

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It allows Dems to tell people they are being picked on.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:05:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Close tazzy... I live in Kirkwood...but it is in Kirkwood where the mayor, police, and councilmen were killed along with the white teen killed last month by African Americans.

Yes most of the killing in St. Louis is black on black but a portion is black on white... There is No ..or it at least that I know of whites killing blacks in St. Louis... Not even white Hispanics.

If a black father needs to warn his son then he should be warning him about other blacks not the Zimmerman's of this world.

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ps... tazzy... forgive me if I type tizzy now and then it is my speller autocorrecting and I don't catch it.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:09:36 PM   
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It allows Dems to tell people they are being picked on.


Since the majority of the African Americans in the City are Democrat and the majority of the population I would say it is not the party but a continuation of blacks not facing up to their part in their problems.

Butch

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:16:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was really hesitant in starting this thread because even to myself some of the things I am saying sound racists... But I can assure you I do not have a racists bone in my body... But to start listing friends and work companions that are black to try and show how Clinton like I am is distasteful to me.

I do believe what I have stated has at least a foundation in fact and is the truth in my part of the country anyway. But... even the truth sounds like racism in our society today.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:20:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just read up on the trial for the Mayor.... its no where near solid... seems rather conflicting in fact. I do hope they appeal.

shoplifting profiling by race leaves a whole set of people willing and able to shop lift at will... while those who are supposed to be watching activities are more concerned about color.

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If a black father needs to warn his son then he should be warning him about other blacks not the Zimmerman's of this world.


So, we finally get to the point of this thread. Unless you have walked a mile in their shoes, you really cant know what the feeling is.

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RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/20/2013 7:21:43 PM   
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Before the African slave trade got into full swing, the need for labor in the colonies was supplied by white slaves. They were mainly Irish, though many were shipped from Britain and Scotland as well. There was in some cases a pretense of indenture and eventual manumission, but in the meantime they were property. They could be bought and sold as chattel. And in practice, few lived long enough or were paid enough ever to see the light of freedom.


One of my ancestors was a transportee to the Georgia colony right after it was founded. He was indentured to one of the colony's founders and promptly fled.

Although it is my understanding that indentures were always for a set period and the indentured received no pay at all but was legally required to be fed, housed and trained for free.

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