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Actually the website is so overwhelmed right now that it is impossible to get through. I'm guessing it got hit several million times right at 12PM Eastern.

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The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail.

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Both houses of Congress did indeed vote to pass this law. The usurper POTUS did indeed sign it. It did indeed pass. That is indeed the normal legislative process in this country. However, shortly after it was passed the usurper POTUS began granting waivers from it in furtherance of his re-election in 2012 -- waivers now totaling over 1,200 -- that's most certainly not the normal legislative process in this country, in fact it borders on illegal.

The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail. The usurper POTUS has repeatedly adamantly proclaimed "I will not compromise." -- ditto Harry Reid. That's also certainly not the normal legislative process in this country, in fact it borders on Tyranny.

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The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail.

I wasn't aware of that. Could you give some examples?

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The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail.

I wasn't aware of that. Could you give some examples?

The Republican's latest compromise, offered to the Democrats earlier today, was to fully fund the government, including Obamacare, with the sole caveat being to rescind the Congressional exemption -- meaning members of Congress and their staff would be subject to the same law as "We the people..." Harry Reid said "NO".

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This IS our legislative process, Graceadieu. The White House and Reid/Pelosi will blame, the media will repeat, and the Obamabots will bleat the chants they are given, but the House holds the power of the purse, and they are doing the job they were sent to do. Elections have consequences. Who was it that said that?
As someone who believes we would be much better off as a society with less government involvement in our daily lives, what I hope we get from this are a hell of a lot of people who realize that life goes right along without it.

Elections do have consequences. The President and the Dem majority in the Senate were elected to enact the Democratic agenda, which they have attempted to do.
Both houses of Congress voted to pass this law. The President signed it. It passed. That's the normal legislative process in this country. Some of the GOP wanted it repealed, so they tried the normal routes. They held, what, 41 votes in the House to try and repeal it, and failed every time. That's, well, a little ridiculous, but also part of our legislative process. They even took it to the Supreme Court, who ruled it constitutional. That's also part of our governmental process.
The Republicans could not get the law voted down, and they could not get it repealed, and they could not get it declared unconstitutional, using the processes our Constitution and Founding Fathers laid down. So instead, they held the functioning of the federal government hostage, shutting the government down because the Senate wouldn't stop the law. That's not part of our legislative process. At all. By any means.

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Both houses of Congress did indeed vote to pass this law. The usurper POTUS did indeed sign it. It did indeed pass. That is indeed the normal legislative process in this country. However, shortly after it was passed the usurper POTUS began granting waivers from it in furtherance of his re-election in 2012 -- waivers now totaling over 1,200 -- that's most certainly not the normal legislative process in this country, in fact it borders on illegal.

The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail. The usurper POTUS has repeatedly adamantly proclaimed "I will not compromise." -- ditto Harry Reid. That's also certainly not the normal legislative process in this country, in fact it borders on Tyranny.

The normal governmental process in this country is that Congress passes the law and the Executive branch implements it, which is what has happened.

Sometimes there are unexpected hurdles that cause delays, either financial, administrative or political. Laws can be harder to enact in practice than in theory - just like starting a new business, there can be unexpected costs, difficulties and delays. That seems to be what's happening with the ACA.

Some administrations (Bush comes to mind, with the EPA) will actually intentionally create hurdles to try and prevent an agency from implementing the law, which does not seem to be what's happening here, but is still legal.

And how on Earth is a President who was elected by a large margin a "usurper"? That's just bizarre. Like it or not, he was legally elected by the American people.

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The Republican's latest compromise, offered to the Democrats earlier today, was to fully fund the government, including Obamacare, with the sole caveat being to rescind the Congressional exemption -- meaning members of Congress and their staff would be subject to the same law as "We the people..." Harry Reid said "NO".

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The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail.

I wasn't aware of that. Could you give some examples?

The Republican's latest compromise, offered to the Democrats earlier today, was to fully fund the government, including Obamacare, with the sole caveat being to rescind the Congressional exemption -- meaning members of Congress and their staff would be subject to the same law as "We the people..." Harry Reid said "NO".

Congress and their staffers are going to have to buy their insurance on the exchange come January. Why did the Republicans want to rescind this?

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CNN reports that it included an additional ingredient:

The GOP counteroffer rejected by the Senate on Tuesday morning would have delayed Obamacare for a year and ended federally provided health care for the president, members of Congress and their staff while funding the government for 11 weeks.

Emphasis mine. DCNOVICE

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This IS our legislative process, Graceadieu. The White House and Reid/Pelosi will blame, the media will repeat, and the Obamabots will bleat the chants they are given, but the House holds the power of the purse, and they are doing the job they were sent to do. Elections have consequences. Who was it that said that?
As someone who believes we would be much better off as a society with less government involvement in our daily lives, what I hope we get from this are a hell of a lot of people who realize that life goes right along without it.

Elections do have consequences. The President and the Dem majority in the Senate were elected to enact the Democratic agenda, which they have attempted to do.
Both houses of Congress voted to pass this law. The President signed it. It passed. That's the normal legislative process in this country. Some of the GOP wanted it repealed, so they tried the normal routes. They held, what, 41 votes in the House to try and repeal it, and failed every time. That's, well, a little ridiculous, but also part of our legislative process. They even took it to the Supreme Court, who ruled it constitutional. That's also part of our governmental process.
The Republicans could not get the law voted down, and they could not get it repealed, and they could not get it declared unconstitutional, using the processes our Constitution and Founding Fathers laid down. So instead, they held the functioning of the federal government hostage, shutting the government down because the Senate wouldn't stop the law. That's not part of our legislative process. At all. By any means.

And, guess, what, repeal is also part of our legislative process. Just because it passed and won it's only Constitutional challenge doesn't guarantee it's here to stay. It can still be repealed.

Representatives are elected every 2 years. Why? To thwart attempts at government not following the will of the People. States were, initially, electors of Senators, so the States were also represented within the Federal Government, but that was changed. Even the US Constitution can be changed. What's more, since the House was set up to be more indicative of the will of the People, the purse strings were given to the HoR. This is not some radical departure from the Constitutional workings of government. This is how our Government was intended to work. Having Senators and Representatives that wouldn't get together and negotiate some sort of compromise wasn't intended, but the various maneuvers were.

I do believe Obamacare will have to weather some more Constitutionality challenges, too.

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This IS our legislative process, Graceadieu. The White House and Reid/Pelosi will blame, the media will repeat, and the Obamabots will bleat the chants they are given, but the House holds the power of the purse, and they are doing the job they were sent to do. Elections have consequences. Who was it that said that?
As someone who believes we would be much better off as a society with less government involvement in our daily lives, what I hope we get from this are a hell of a lot of people who realize that life goes right along without it.

Elections do have consequences. The President and the Dem majority in the Senate were elected to enact the Democratic agenda, which they have attempted to do.
Both houses of Congress voted to pass this law. The President signed it. It passed. That's the normal legislative process in this country. Some of the GOP wanted it repealed, so they tried the normal routes. They held, what, 41 votes in the House to try and repeal it, and failed every time. That's, well, a little ridiculous, but also part of our legislative process. They even took it to the Supreme Court, who ruled it constitutional. That's also part of our governmental process.
The Republicans could not get the law voted down, and they could not get it repealed, and they could not get it declared unconstitutional, using the processes our Constitution and Founding Fathers laid down. So instead, they held the functioning of the federal government hostage, shutting the government down because the Senate wouldn't stop the law. That's not part of our legislative process. At all. By any means.

And, guess, what, repeal is also part of our legislative process. Just because it passed and won it's only Constitutional challenge doesn't guarantee it's here to stay. It can still be repealed.

Representatives are elected every 2 years. Why? To thwart attempts at government not following the will of the People. States were, initially, electors of Senators, so the States were also represented within the Federal Government, but that was changed. Even the US Constitution can be changed. What's more, since the House was set up to be more indicative of the will of the People, the purse strings were given to the HoR. This is not some radical departure from the Constitutional workings of government. This is how our Government was intended to work. Having Senators and Representatives that wouldn't get together and negotiate some sort of compromise wasn't intended, but the various maneuvers were.

I do believe Obamacare will have to weather some more Constitutionality challenges, too.

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What we see now is undemocratic and well outside the lines of our normal government process. You are orbiting in outer space, not around the earth with that last post.

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CNN reports that it included an additional ingredient:

The GOP counteroffer rejected by the Senate on Tuesday morning would have delayed Obamacare for a year and ended federally provided health care for the president, members of Congress and their staff while funding the government for 11 weeks.

Emphasis mine. DCNOVICE

I'm shocked that RacerJim is trading on bad, misleading information. Shocked.

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And, guess, what, repeal is also part of our legislative process. Just because it passed and won it's only Constitutional challenge doesn't guarantee it's here to stay. It can still be repealed.

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What's more, since the House was set up to be more indicative of the will of the People, the purse strings were given to the HoR.

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Additionally, given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act.

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given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act.

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The Republicans have offered numerous compromises, all to no avail.

I wasn't aware of that. Could you give some examples?

The Republican's latest compromise, offered to the Democrats earlier today, was to fully fund the government, including Obamacare, with the sole caveat being to rescind the Congressional exemption -- meaning members of Congress and their staff would be subject to the same law as "We the people..." Harry Reid said "NO".