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Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 2:32:08 AM

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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 2:33:33 AM

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Unconstitutional surveillance on the populace.

Hope I helped.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 2:39:54 AM

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Unconstitutional surveillance on the populace.

Hope I helped.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 2:59:57 AM

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1) Military
2) Funding of basic research
3) Courts
4) Border Security
5) Food and drug purity and safety inspections
6) Environmental protection
7) Parks
8) Enforcing safety regulations on the private sector
and so on

Learn some history. We went through a period where government did almost nothing and it was a miserable failure. Children worked in coal mines, Union organizers were simply murdered, the company town system kept people as effective serfs owned by big business, factory work was extremely dangerous and maimed workers were just fired or allowed to die, rivers caught on fire (yes you read that right) etc.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:24:00 AM

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of course the Private Sector is so much more reliable, less greedy, and less corrupt than the government, less likely to fuck over their workers, be honest and open and safe.
Falling over laughing.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:51:07 AM

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The Center for Disease Control

Unlike a business, the CDC freely help all Americans in dealing with a large amount of issues. Giving information, raising awareness of different infections, creating a source that constantly monitors for outbreaks not just inside the USA but in other countries (to protect Americans that might be there on business or pleasure). A business would NEVER release information like this....not unless.....it could be a rich profit from it.

The National Security Agency

Just imagine a business so secret that its above the law? That it can break any code and use information to adjust markets for its own profit (i.e. serious insider trading). They would know all the secrets from competing companies and produce knock-offs of before the companies could bring them to market. Not to mention all the codes to drain banks of their currency and make it look like legitimate transactions.

National Parks

Which has more beautiful parks? The USA or Disney? How has more resources to keep them pristine and unaltered? The USA or the biggest corporation in the world?

The Right to Vote

A business gives you a vote if you have purchased a serious amount of shares, the Federal Government gives you it for free.

The Rule of Law

Every person is considered equal under the law. A business that owns the police can get away with murder on a daily basis.

The Right to Disagree

Conservatives and Liberals have many issues that they disagree (quite heated on many I might add). In a business your view is the same as your manager's manager; opposing views are fired!

The Pay Check

How much money does the President of the United States make in one year? Now imagine if he were paid like the CEO in any of the top ten largest corporations in the world......

US Constitution

How many businesses have something so cool?

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 4:01:30 AM

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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

Without government, there wouldn't even be a private sector, so that's one thing the government provides.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 5:37:16 AM

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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

I was going to say regulate the Market to prevent market failures, but, as it turns out, that's more likely to be a wash.

But, in all seriousness, most of Ken's post is spot on. National Defense (which could stand in place of his #1 and $4 points) and courts (#3) are obvious examples.

Theoretically, funding basic research by government (#2) would be better, but the challenge is to keep politics out of it, which Government has a tough time doing in pretty much anything it does. The lure of profits over truth would likely prove too great a challenge for the private sector, too.

The FDA has done a lot of good and we have come a long way in our Food and Drug purity travels. While I'm not sure it can be done more efficiently or to a higher quality than by the private sector, there is a question of whether the private sector would even do it in the first place.

For all the cracks and potshots taken at government, it is still necessary. As much of a "Free Market" guy I am, I do not want a completely unfettered Market. I do think it's over-regulated, but that doesn't mean not regulated.

The private sector won't be able to secure our inalienable rights, which is the whole of the necessity of government, imo.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 6:26:51 AM

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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

Something along the lines of what Lucy said..... Everything!!

Let's turn that question round.
Name ONE thing where the private sector hasn't ripped off it's customers, made the CEO's rich, and stayed in business when the profits fail - for the good of the people.

The government does many things (different in different countries) where they don't make a profit but still provide the service(s) for the people.
Would a private sector company do that??
Would they fuck!! If it don't make a profit, they don't do it. Simples!

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 6:32:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

1) Military
2) Funding of basic research
3) Courts
4) Border Security
5) Food and drug purity and safety inspections
6) Environmental protection
7) Parks
8) Enforcing safety regulations on the private sector
and so on

Learn some history. We went through a period where government did almost nothing and it was a miserable failure. Children worked in coal mines, Union organizers were simply murdered, the company town system kept people as effective serfs owned by big business, factory work was extremely dangerous and maimed workers were just fired or allowed to die, rivers caught on fire (yes you read that right) etc.

Military, agreed.

Funding of basic research? Nope. I understand the argument that shall ensue, but remember, the OP is Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector. The government provided funds for green research... shall I mention Solyndra? The OP is right... the government provided funds...

That is one thing government does real well.

Courts. Nope. They could be private courts in many instances. This is a small one. It's also quite evident the courts have engaged in social engineering via judicial activism.

FDA inspections. If the courts worked right and the actual risks of business were in force, business wouldn't need so much inspection as they'd hold to a higher standard out of self preservation.

Parks. What?

Your #8. See FDA.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 6:39:54 AM

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bollocks, look at the issues with private prisons, private courts? Fuck that, LMAO FDA inspections?
I would never eat in the US again, let alone buy anything food related in Canada.
They do not hold to a higher standard for self preservation, they hold a shitty standard until they get caught poisoning people(listeria) pink slime in mc nuggets?let alone the texas explosion,
you are dreamin

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 6:49:37 AM

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bollocks, look at the issues with private prisons, private courts? Fuck that, LMAO FDA inspections?
I would never eat in the US again, let alone buy anything food related in Canada.
They do not hold to a higher standard for self preservation, they hold a shitty standard until they get caught poisoning people(listeria) pink slime in mc nuggets?let alone the texas explosion,
you are dreamin

Lucy, that's the point. They don't need to. It's similar to the "I've got insurance!" syndrome or the "hey, it met code so I can't be held responsible".

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 7:03:25 AM

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Funding of basic research? Nope. I understand the argument that shall ensue, but remember, the OP is Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector. The government provided funds for green research... shall I mention Solyndra? The OP is right... the government provided funds... That is one thing government does real well.

Among the other asswipe this one stands out. The basic research was provided, efficiently, but the government is composed of teabaggers who were enormous cowards that would not back that research and let China dump on our markets. So, that one goes to the inept cowards the teabaggers.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 9:32:03 AM

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1) Military
2) Funding of basic research
3) Courts
4) Border Security
5) Food and drug purity and safety inspections
6) Environmental protection
7) Parks
8) Enforcing safety regulations on the private sector
and so on

Learn some history. We went through a period where government did almost nothing and it was a miserable failure. Children worked in coal mines, Union organizers were simply murdered, the company town system kept people as effective serfs owned by big business, factory work was extremely dangerous and maimed workers were just fired or allowed to die, rivers caught on fire (yes you read that right) etc.

Military, agreed.

Funding of basic research? Nope. I understand the argument that shall ensue, but remember, the OP is Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector. The government provided funds for green research... shall I mention Solyndra? The OP is right... the government provided funds... That is one thing government does real well.

Solyndra wasn't doing basic research. So that was quite the nifty strawman you built and knocked down. Maybe instead you would like to actually deal with the funding actually provided for basic research by organizations like the NIH, CDC and the NSF.

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Courts. Nope. They could be private courts in many instances. This is a small one. It's also quite evident the courts have engaged in social engineering via judicial activism.

Bullshit in the extreme we already have an example of private sector justice. That is the euphemistically named arbitration process included in the contracts of many employers and financial industry instruments. Guess what? The little guy never wins. That is unacceptable to me. It is sad that it is acceptable to you.

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FDA inspections. If the courts worked right and the actual risks of business were in force, business wouldn't need so much inspection as they'd hold to a higher standard out of self preservation.

Without the FDA and USDA doing inspection and investigating the causes of illnesses there would be no way to go to court and prove a case. Also read The Jungle that is what it was like in the US before the FDA and USDA.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 9:32:52 AM

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 9:34:33 AM

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They could be private courts in many instances.

Intriguing idea.

Do you know of any countries that have tried this? If so, how has it worked?

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 9:40:17 AM

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The U.S. already blows away the rest of the world in percentage of population imprisoned because of the way we've turned private prisons into profit factories and turned poor school districts into funnels into those prison systems to make their owners rich. We should be reversing that trend, not furthering it. See, e.g. https://www.aclu.org/blog/prisoners-rights/cca-it-again-held-contempt-understaffing-prison-and-lying-about-it

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 9:59:03 AM

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They could be private courts in many instances.

Intriguing idea.

Do you know of any countries that have tried this? If so, how has it worked?

Not in use in modern times anywhere that I know of. It has been done in the past. It's individual, private, and not governmental.

Often someone would be hired, agreed by both contesting parties, to oversee a dispute, the judge so to speak, who's determination is, by contract, held with "force of law," meaning the rendering shall be. Could even be jury. It's not what we have today, being courts of equity.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:01:31 AM

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OH yeah, we got em:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/mediation

They mostly suck as bad as the government court system.

And of course there are private sector attorneys rife in the court system. We call them private attorneys to distinguish them from public defenders, or government attorneys, and so on.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:16:21 AM

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OH yeah, we got em:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/mediation

They mostly suck as bad as the government court system.

Nope. Mediation is still held within the constraints of equity. No court today is bound to sign off on what might be mediated if such violates its fundamental rule of equity as seen by the judge. The concept of equity is what gives us minimum sentencing.

It's interesting (Please note my proper usage of it's and its

) how a movie can illustrate it. It's called jury nullification, which happens to infrequently.

Note Gresham's book (even see movie), Time To Kill. He did kill those two men. Equity says he's guilty under the law. He admitted such. He did do it. The deputy, who took the ricochet, said "you set him free." The deputy would have done the same thing. The deputy was saying, do what's right. Equity doesn't allow for what's right, only what's equitable.

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