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Sanity -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/5/2014 6:03:15 PM)
Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did

Sanity -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/5/2014 6:06:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm Of course you think its a terrible poll, it proves what I have been saying

Gauge -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/5/2014 6:49:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Really? You cannot be serious. Simply impossible for you to maintain a straight face and say such things. He has a Congress that won't work with him. Look up the record. All they want to do is politically posture and point fingers, but when it comes to actually working with the President, they are absent. Working with Congress actually requires both parties sitting down and hashing out things and reaching compromise. All the Republican party seems to want to do is get their way so they can win for their party... meanwhile in America, the people lose. The Democrats are also at fault to a lesser extent currently, but if the President cannot get anything done with an unwilling Congress, of course he is going to get a little pissy about things and pass as many things on his own. A quick check of your facts and you would find that Obama has issued less executive orders than Bush at the same time in his Presidency. Another quick check of your facts would also find an unprecedented amount of times that Obama's Presidential appointees have been filibustered compared to every President before him... that's right... all of them. So, please, tell me again how Congress wants to work with the President. Should I mention all of the job bills that have been passed by this Congress? The logical conclusion is that what happens is that nothing is getting done and Obama is being blamed for it. Seems to me that if you look at the facts, the numbers tell a different tale. Also, what is the record of time spent on vacation by our current President and our last President at the same time in their Presidency? Hard numbers please, not ambiguous horseshit. Oh, and your poll was OK however 31% approve which means that your absolute stance that "no-one approves" is again skewed to make it sound better. The other ones shows a broader audience and was not worded in order to solicit a political bias and tells a bit of a different tale.

DomKen -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/5/2014 8:38:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed.

BamaD -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/5/2014 11:37:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house.

DomKen -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/6/2014 7:16:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house. There are lots of stuff that actually does get passed in both sides but then never gets passed because of no conference.

DesideriScuri -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/6/2014 7:39:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Seriously, a lot of the UK's most avowed skinhead goose stepping thugs (the nearest equivalent to the USA's rednecks, perhaps) Nah, your lot is the nearest equivalent to the avowed skinhead goose stepping thugs over here. quote: ... would fail any test of English ability. Some research recently has revealed, in fact, that there's an identifiable demographic of poor, working class white kids that needs remedial education in order to keep up with everyone else - including the kids of immigrants. Questions are currently being asked by our government as to how best to deal with them. It's nutty. We in the UK are now facing a situation wherein immigrants and their kids are more likely to be educated in British culture - specifically the language - than people who are white and whose families are British-born through hundreds of years. And this is the demographic that produces most of our ultra-right 'Britain First' types, too. I mean, can you imagine it? A boss says to a prospective employee, "Sorry, Mr Noforehead. We'd like to take you on, but Mr Ali here speaks and writes English better than you do and knows a lot more about British culture. You're just not as British as he is, basically." "Mr Noforehead" LMAO!! [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif] Last year, I was talking to some kids (9th grade, 7th grade, 6th grade and two 4th graders) and none of them knew why July 4th, 1776 was an important date. Not stupid kids. Suburban school district. I was ashamed for their school, and that 3 of them were my very own kids.

Lucylastic -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/6/2014 7:45:30 AM)
House of Representatives passed the next two tax breaks in a series that would add $614 billion to the nation’s debt over the next decade. The two measures, designed to help small businesses, are broadly popular and have been extended on a temporary basis for years. But the Republican-backed measures aim to make them permanent, at a cost of some $75 billion, according to Congress’ nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. A bill that would allow firms to take immediate deductions on investments accounts for most of the cost. Link to bill from the ways and means committee http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/jct_description_of_h.r._4457_042914.pdf

joether -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 1:18:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house. I find a number of people just can not seem to fathom the problem within Congress. So I'm going to 'switch it up a bit' to help you understand WTF is going on in Congress.... Lets place the Democrats in control of the House, and the Republican/Tea Party controlling the Senate. The Republican/Tea Party has control of the White House, but there are five liberals on the US Supreme Court. As I said, a complete 180 degree turn from what is the current situation. The Democrats keep sending bills forward to the Senate that are pro-progressive/pro-liberal concepts. Examples might be 'Revoking the 2nd Amendment', 'Passing the DREAM ACT', or 'Super-Charge Improvements on the ACA'. How likely do you think the Republican/Tea Party would go for any of these items? Not in a million-zillion years, right? So the Democrats can say they have 'done their jobs' and passed bills, and its not their fault that the Senate is not 'doing the will of the people', right? Yet, those on the Senate state, they are not getting a bill that works for their views and politics. Instead, they create bills with a reasonable sense of compromise to at least have....something....getting through Congress. The problem is that the Republican/Tea Party has taken a stance that is wholly screwing the nation in every regard. I can and do place some blame with the Democrats and the President; yet they seem willing to do business and try to get this nation to move forward. Republicans and more specifically, the Tea Party, seem hell-bent on fucking the nation, if that helps them win the next election. This is absolute insanity, BamaD! If the point of the GOP/TP is to undermine this nation's health (military, financial, spirit), they are doing an awesome job! What really stuns me is that conservative voters want and demand better government, yet, keep hiring the sort of individuals that could not give a shit about government. Its like its own mental/emotional disorder that has not been defined in the newly published DSV-5.

joether -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 1:34:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Last year, I was talking to some kids (9th grade, 7th grade, 6th grade and two 4th graders) and none of them knew why July 4th, 1776 was an important date. Not stupid kids. Suburban school district. I was ashamed for their school, and that 3 of them were my very own kids. I had a few liberal history teachers when I was growing up. Compared to the conservative teachers, those guys gave absolutely brutal tests and exams. To not just understand Paul Revere's Ride, but the chain of events that happened afterward. Or that when the Tea Party took place in Boston, the 'indians' did not kill the sailors on the ships, but simply contained them. Or that the militia in the vanguard position to attack North Bridge was not from Concord. But to play Devil's Advocate, do you know what events were taking place in America in the forty years before 1776? Accurately and without looking it up? For example, what noted event took place in 1732? Its pretty important to the future United States of America..... You want sad? Most Americans can rattle off what happened in the United States of America on 9/11/01, but yet can not name what happened just six years earlier on 4/19/95. Even though both are pretty significant events. Why is that?

DomKen -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 5:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Last year, I was talking to some kids (9th grade, 7th grade, 6th grade and two 4th graders) and none of them knew why July 4th, 1776 was an important date. Not stupid kids. Suburban school district. I was ashamed for their school, and that 3 of them were my very own kids. I had a few liberal history teachers when I was growing up. Compared to the conservative teachers, those guys gave absolutely brutal tests and exams. To not just understand Paul Revere's Ride, but the chain of events that happened afterward. Or that when the Tea Party took place in Boston, the 'indians' did not kill the sailors on the ships, but simply contained them. Or that the militia in the vanguard position to attack North Bridge was not from Concord. But to play Devil's Advocate, do you know what events were taking place in America in the forty years before 1776? Accurately and without looking it up? For example, what noted event took place in 1732? Its pretty important to the future United States of America..... You want sad? Most Americans can rattle off what happened in the United States of America on 9/11/01, but yet can not name what happened just six years earlier on 4/19/95. Even though both are pretty significant events. Why is that? Exactly. I want kids to know that the singing of the Declaration was announced on July 4th, it was signed before then, but to know the events not just be able to rattle off dates. BTW WTF happened in 1732? The only thing I can remember or find by looking is the founding of the Georgia colony and that is not that momentous,

Musicmystery -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 5:53:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity actually work with Congress If he can get a Congress that actually wants to work, I bet he'll do just that.

DesideriScuri -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 6:37:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic House of Representatives passed the next two tax breaks in a series that would add $614 billion to the nation’s debt over the next decade. The two measures, designed to help small businesses, are broadly popular and have been extended on a temporary basis for years. But the Republican-backed measures aim to make them permanent, at a cost of some $75 billion, according to Congress’ nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. A bill that would allow firms to take immediate deductions on investments accounts for most of the cost. Link to bill from the ways and means committee http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/jct_description_of_h.r._4457_042914.pdf Sad to tell you, Lucy, HR 4457 is a bipartisan bill. It was written and sponsored by an R, with 11 R co-sponsors and 6 D co-sponsors. Mind linking to the other $540B measure? This one is only $74B over the next 10 years. Additionally, it passed the House with a bipartisan vote: 272 (219R/53D) - 144 (2R/142D) with 15 Representatives not voting (11R/4D) The CBO scoring of the HR4457: quote: The staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimates that enacting H.R. 4457 would reduce revenues, thus increasing federal deficits, by about $73 billion over the 2014-2024 period. So, your "Republican back bill" is also a "Democrat backed bill."

BamaD -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 12:26:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house. I find a number of people just can not seem to fathom the problem within Congress. So I'm going to 'switch it up a bit' to help you understand WTF is going on in Congress.... Lets place the Democrats in control of the House, and the Republican/Tea Party controlling the Senate. The Republican/Tea Party has control of the White House, but there are five liberals on the US Supreme Court. As I said, a complete 180 degree turn from what is the current situation. The Democrats keep sending bills forward to the Senate that are pro-progressive/pro-liberal concepts. Examples might be 'Revoking the 2nd Amendment', 'Passing the DREAM ACT', or 'Super-Charge Improvements on the ACA'. How likely do you think the Republican/Tea Party would go for any of these items? Not in a million-zillion years, right? So the Democrats can say they have 'done their jobs' and passed bills, and its not their fault that the Senate is not 'doing the will of the people', right? Yet, those on the Senate state, they are not getting a bill that works for their views and politics. Instead, they create bills with a reasonable sense of compromise to at least have....something....getting through Congress. The problem is that the Republican/Tea Party has taken a stance that is wholly screwing the nation in every regard. I can and do place some blame with the Democrats and the President; yet they seem willing to do business and try to get this nation to move forward. Republicans and more specifically, the Tea Party, seem hell-bent on fucking the nation, if that helps them win the next election. This is absolute insanity, BamaD! If the point of the GOP/TP is to undermine this nation's health (military, financial, spirit), they are doing an awesome job! What really stuns me is that conservative voters want and demand better government, yet, keep hiring the sort of individuals that could not give a shit about government. Its like its own mental/emotional disorder that has not been defined in the newly published DSV-5. I know whats going on in congress. The views of the conservatives in the house and the left wing radicals in the senate are so divergent as to make compromise very difficult. Particularly when the senate's idea of compromise is to agree with them. An ineffective government is better than one that effectively turns us into France. To blame the GOP for the gridlock is as stupid as to blame the Dems both have a part in it. You don't seem to realize they are fighting for the soul of the nation. To we want to stay with the Republic or become a European style socialized state? If you think that we have to become like Europe then you can't support the reactionaries who fight progress. If you believe in the republic you can't turn us into France a bit at a time.

Tkman117 -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 12:34:29 PM)
You know what's funny, you americans spit the word Socialism like it's poison. The majority of first world countries have socialized programs, even the USA does too. Roads, Police, firefighters, social welfare, etc. Despite what you cons believe, these programs help lift people up rather than drag people down. They are country wide investments made to benefit everyone. Not everyone will use these programs, but they are there in case you do. In many cases it's a "better safe than sorry" kind of system, one where people don't have to take unnecessary risks in life. The soul of your nation? If the soul of your nation is a rule free free for all, then don't be surprised when you find it collapses under your collective fat asses. They values you people hold are unbelievable, and the aggressive fight to keep things in the broken, sorry state that your country is in is a denial of the fact that you have problems. You people are not number 1 at anything note worthy anymore, and at this point I'd be surprised if you could even climb back into the top 10 out of any category these days. But I will agree, France isn't doing too hot right now. They have socialized programs. But what about all of the other first world countries that are doing pretty well right now that also have socialized programs? Cherry picking evidence isn't good debating, it's a pathetic attempt to support your claim.

mnottertail -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 12:50:28 PM)
Ja, Scandinavia puts the lie to all the crap being spewed.

mnottertail -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 12:57:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I know whats going on in congress. The views of the conservatives in the house and the left wing radicals in the senate are so divergent as to make compromise very difficult. Particularly when the senate's idea of compromise is to agree with them. An ineffective government is better than one that effectively turns us into France. To blame the GOP for the gridlock is as stupid as to blame the Dems both have a part in it. You don't seem to realize they are fighting for the soul of the nation. To we want to stay with the Republic or become a European style socialized state? If you think that we have to become like Europe then you can't support the reactionaries who fight progress. If you believe in the republic you can't turn us into France a bit at a time. The nutsacker radical nazis in the house will not compromise with the moderate democrats. The senate will not deign to entertain dogshit bills from fiscally irresponsible as well as politically and socially inept and injurious fiscally irresponsible nutsackers.

DomKen -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 3:37:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house. I find a number of people just can not seem to fathom the problem within Congress. So I'm going to 'switch it up a bit' to help you understand WTF is going on in Congress.... Lets place the Democrats in control of the House, and the Republican/Tea Party controlling the Senate. The Republican/Tea Party has control of the White House, but there are five liberals on the US Supreme Court. As I said, a complete 180 degree turn from what is the current situation. The Democrats keep sending bills forward to the Senate that are pro-progressive/pro-liberal concepts. Examples might be 'Revoking the 2nd Amendment', 'Passing the DREAM ACT', or 'Super-Charge Improvements on the ACA'. How likely do you think the Republican/Tea Party would go for any of these items? Not in a million-zillion years, right? So the Democrats can say they have 'done their jobs' and passed bills, and its not their fault that the Senate is not 'doing the will of the people', right? Yet, those on the Senate state, they are not getting a bill that works for their views and politics. Instead, they create bills with a reasonable sense of compromise to at least have....something....getting through Congress. The problem is that the Republican/Tea Party has taken a stance that is wholly screwing the nation in every regard. I can and do place some blame with the Democrats and the President; yet they seem willing to do business and try to get this nation to move forward. Republicans and more specifically, the Tea Party, seem hell-bent on fucking the nation, if that helps them win the next election. This is absolute insanity, BamaD! If the point of the GOP/TP is to undermine this nation's health (military, financial, spirit), they are doing an awesome job! What really stuns me is that conservative voters want and demand better government, yet, keep hiring the sort of individuals that could not give a shit about government. Its like its own mental/emotional disorder that has not been defined in the newly published DSV-5. I know whats going on in congress. The views of the conservatives in the house and the left wing radicals in the senate are so divergent as to make compromise very difficult. Particularly when the senate's idea of compromise is to agree with them. An ineffective government is better than one that effectively turns us into France. To blame the GOP for the gridlock is as stupid as to blame the Dems both have a part in it. You don't seem to realize they are fighting for the soul of the nation. To we want to stay with the Republic or become a European style socialized state? If you think that we have to become like Europe then you can't support the reactionaries who fight progress. If you believe in the republic you can't turn us into France a bit at a time. There are maybe 2 left wing radicals in the Senate, Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren, and even that is stretching things as both are to the right of me. The fact is there no Senators as far left as Cruz or Lee are right. much less guys like Gohmert in the House.

BamaD -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 4:36:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Heres a thought Instead of spending all of his time golfing and vacationing and attacking Republicans, essentially half of the voting public, maybe King Barack could step away from his high and mighty throne long enough to actually work with Congress Like George Bush did, and like Bill Clinton did, and like every other president before him did Here's a thought. When was the last time the House actually appointed Conference Committee members? Those are the guys that work out the difference between a bill passed in the House and Senate. It is a routine and basic part of the way Congress functions. Without it nothing gets passed. Not much point when Reid proclaims house bills doa before they are even cleared through the house. I find a number of people just can not seem to fathom the problem within Congress. So I'm going to 'switch it up a bit' to help you understand WTF is going on in Congress.... Lets place the Democrats in control of the House, and the Republican/Tea Party controlling the Senate. The Republican/Tea Party has control of the White House, but there are five liberals on the US Supreme Court. As I said, a complete 180 degree turn from what is the current situation. The Democrats keep sending bills forward to the Senate that are pro-progressive/pro-liberal concepts. Examples might be 'Revoking the 2nd Amendment', 'Passing the DREAM ACT', or 'Super-Charge Improvements on the ACA'. How likely do you think the Republican/Tea Party would go for any of these items? Not in a million-zillion years, right? So the Democrats can say they have 'done their jobs' and passed bills, and its not their fault that the Senate is not 'doing the will of the people', right? Yet, those on the Senate state, they are not getting a bill that works for their views and politics. Instead, they create bills with a reasonable sense of compromise to at least have....something....getting through Congress. The problem is that the Republican/Tea Party has taken a stance that is wholly screwing the nation in every regard. I can and do place some blame with the Democrats and the President; yet they seem willing to do business and try to get this nation to move forward. Republicans and more specifically, the Tea Party, seem hell-bent on fucking the nation, if that helps them win the next election. This is absolute insanity, BamaD! If the point of the GOP/TP is to undermine this nation's health (military, financial, spirit), they are doing an awesome job! What really stuns me is that conservative voters want and demand better government, yet, keep hiring the sort of individuals that could not give a shit about government. Its like its own mental/emotional disorder that has not been defined in the newly published DSV-5. I know whats going on in congress. The views of the conservatives in the house and the left wing radicals in the senate are so divergent as to make compromise very difficult. Particularly when the senate's idea of compromise is to agree with them. An ineffective government is better than one that effectively turns us into France. To blame the GOP for the gridlock is as stupid as to blame the Dems both have a part in it. You don't seem to realize they are fighting for the soul of the nation. To we want to stay with the Republic or become a European style socialized state? If you think that we have to become like Europe then you can't support the reactionaries who fight progress. If you believe in the republic you can't turn us into France a bit at a time. There are maybe 2 left wing radicals in the Senate, Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren, and even that is stretching things as both are to the right of me. The fact is there no Senators as far left as Cruz or Lee are right. much less guys like Gohmert in the House. Your view is based on the fact that you are to the left of Trotsky. If you don't see that Boxer and Feinstein are radicals you are blind.

PeonForHer -> RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request (7/8/2014 6:52:27 PM)
quote: You know what's funny, you americans spit the word Socialism like it's poison. The majority of first world countries have socialized programs, even the USA does too. I once asked here what the term 'social democracy' meant to Americans. Americans on that thread, at least, said it had no real currency in the USA. One - a man who I'd come to respect as a knowledgeable sort - hadn't heard of it before. I'd been taken aback for some while at the oft-seen phrase 'socialism/communism' ... did the two words mean pretty much the same thing to (some/many/most) Americans? But it began to seem to me that this idea of 'half and half' - of mixed economies, just doesn't have the same history in the US. It's not something that's recognised or taken for granted to anything like the degree that is, for instance, here in Europe.

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