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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Nation Master is as reliable as Peons "blog"

He isnt wrong, you are.
check FBI and Home office stats, seriously look into it, you havent got a clue.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

hmmmmmmmm well thats sweet, but expected the reaction:) clever girl

no you dont have less crime. simple, its bullshit,
as to my lust for peopn...pathetic.
Ive posted stats after stats of the continual bullshit you people have put up, Ive done the research, I know the figures,
But
I cant fix stupid.
have a nice evening

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The simple response then is to post your facts and figures and you know debate, which you dont...

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
Whats silly is you brits quote that because you have these great gun laws your country is so safe, now you have people using knives, so you are asking your people to turn in your knives.

Its not about dying its about the fact that you ban guns because they kill people and lead to crime..... and its made your country no more safer to violent crime and problems.... whats after knives no glass because someone can break it and use it to fight with....

Your *cough* Great *cough* country has 64 million people roughly the US has 316 million people almost 5 times the amount of people your country has... and yet we only have 16% more violent crime then your country.... and in total crime you have 3 times the amount as the us... and you have two times more the amount of rape cases then the us.

So yeah us gun toting americans have it all wrong... I mean wanting to hold on to ways to defend ourselves.... is just silly, I mean... its not like knife crime will increase with the banning of guns. I mean the UK is SO peaceful, what with more rape then america victims then us... more overall crime.... We totally have it wrong

seriously how the fuck do you have more rape when we have 5 times the amount of people then you... HOW do you FAIL that greatly...


http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The simple response then is to post your facts and figures and you know debate, which you dont...

Far more incidents are included in the UK figures of both rape and violence in general, QK - a fact which would become readily apparent to you had you taken the trouble to read the article. As for the comment about Lucy wanting to 'jump on my dick' - you're a cretin. I hope that helps.

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Basic laws on knive
It is illegal to:

sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under 18
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife (the list of banned knives is below)
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public without good reason.

The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and a fine of £5,000.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The simple response then is to post your facts and figures and you know debate, which you dont...

Far more incidents are included in the UK figures of both rape and violence in general, QK - a fact which would become readily apparent to you had you taken the trouble to read the article. As for the comment about Lucy wanting to 'jump on my dick' - you're a cretin. I hope that helps.

And your country takes simple things to be violent, thats not MY fault, YOUR country holds YOU to a higher standard. If you dont like it talk to your country about it. But for the facts, which again you have a word press blog, with a bias slant, because hes a brit that doesnt like americans (Still bitter about things are we?) The facts are simple...

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The simple response then is to post your facts and figures and you know debate, which you dont...

Far more incidents are included in the UK figures of both rape and violence in general, QK - a fact which would become readily apparent to you had you taken the trouble to read the article. As for the comment about Lucy wanting to 'jump on my dick' - you're a cretin. I hope that helps.

And your country takes simple things to be violent, thats not MY fault, YOUR country holds YOU to a higher standard. If you dont like it talk to your country about it. But for the facts, which again you have a word press blog, with a bias slant, because hes a brit that doesnt like americans (Still bitter about things are we?) The facts are simple...

Hell's bells, QK: it doesn't matter where it was written. It's a transparent analysis. When you get one of those, you judge it on its analytical merits. This is how it's meant to work. Or do you think something's inherently going to be better-analysed just because it's in a newspaper or on Nationmaster? And it seems you're willing to compare apples with oranges *even when told* that you're comparing apples with oranges. You know, it's actually a bit disturbing talking to you. You don't seem to have a firm grasp on what it means to reason.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

I know it must seem a little silly and naïve to some Americans that a bunch of Brits are marching to try and prevent knife crime, but we don't have tens of thousands of people dying each and every year from gun crime, so we do what we can to make our country safer.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
And your country takes simple things to be violent, thats not MY fault,

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
YOUR country holds YOU to a higher standard.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
If you dont like it talk to your country about it.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
But for the facts, which again you have a word press blog, with a bias slant, because hes a brit that doesnt like americans

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
The facts are simple...

You have 1.94 million violent crimes in 2012 and the us had 1.2

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_296191.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/violent-crime/violent-crime

Need it drawn up for you?

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/inconvenient-truth-violent-crime-rate-in-the-gun-free-uk-is-800-of-the-heavily-armed-us/ (Since you know its a word press it must be true)

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
YOUR country is the country saying these things are violent crimes, Im taking what YOUR country says is a violent crime. You cant just dismiss what your country says is a violent crime because it doesnt fit your needs.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
If you dont think that a robbery or mugging is a violent crime, take it up with your government, because its your government that is defining a violent crime.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
The FACTS are your countries VIOLENT crime is 1.94 MILLION in 2012... Our countries violent crime is 1.2 Million.... You dont get to dismiss the numbers because they dont suit you, you can try, which you have over and over, but it still doesnt erase change or dismiss the facts. They dont change because Wahh I said so...

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

I know it must seem a little silly and naïve to some Americans that a bunch of Brits are marching to try and prevent knife crime, but we don't have tens of thousands of people dying each and every year from gun crime, so we do what we can to make our country safer.

Actually what seems silly and naive is that folks over here have been saying that this is the next step for years. I remember people saying "What's next, are you going to ban knives? Because people get killed with them too." and watching them get ridiculed for their insane slippery-slope arguments. Guess they weren't so insane after all.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

I know it must seem a little silly and naïve to some Americans that a bunch of Brits are marching to try and prevent knife crime, but we don't have tens of thousands of people dying each and every year from gun crime, so we do what we can to make our country safer.

Actually what seems silly and naive is that folks over here have been saying that this is the next step for years. I remember people saying "What's next, are you going to ban knives? Because people get killed with them too." and watching them get ridiculed for their insane slippery-slope arguments. Guess they weren't so insane after all.

Our knife laws came into being in 1997.
So certain knives have been banned since then.

The majority of our arguments about knives-vs-guns is that you are more likely to survive a knife attack than one where a firearm is used.
I don't recall anyone saying that a knife isn't dangerous.... just less dangerous than a gun.

I also think that half the problem is the mental picture of assailants and robbers accosting/intruding on others.
In the US, it is assumed that the perpetrator will be armed and thus you need arms for defense.
Here, the perpetrator isn't likely to be armed, not even with a knife, so arms and other defense weapons aren't usually needed.

So the typical American "what do you do when faced with the burglar..... give up and run or shoot him" question is usually nullified by "grab a broom, you're more likely to be better armed for defense than the assailant".
I'm not saying that applies across the board because there are some unfortunate circumstances when it isn't true. But for the majority of instances, it is.
And that's why a lot of Americans, particularly pro-gun people, can't grasp the concept that you actually don't need a gun for defense if the average Joe Schmuck didn't have access to firearms.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

I know it must seem a little silly and naïve to some Americans that a bunch of Brits are marching to try and prevent knife crime, but we don't have tens of thousands of people dying each and every year from gun crime, so we do what we can to make our country safer.

Actually what seems silly and naive is that folks over here have been saying that this is the next step for years. I remember people saying "What's next, are you going to ban knives? Because people get killed with them too." and watching them get ridiculed for their insane slippery-slope arguments. Guess they weren't so insane after all.

Our knife laws came into being in 1997.
So certain knives have been banned since then.

The majority of our arguments about knives-vs-guns is that you are more likely to survive a knife attack than one where a firearm is used.
I don't recall anyone saying that a knife isn't dangerous.... just less dangerous than a gun.

I also think that half the problem is the mental picture of assailants and robbers accosting/intruding on others.
In the US, it is assumed that the perpetrator will be armed and thus you need arms for defense.
Here, the perpetrator isn't likely to be armed, not even with a knife, so arms and other defense weapons aren't usually needed.

So the typical American "what do you do when faced with the burglar..... give up and run or shoot him" question is usually nullified by "grab a broom, you're more likely to be better armed for defense than the assailant".
I'm not saying that applies across the board because there are some unfortunate circumstances when it isn't true. But for the majority of instances, it is.
And that's why a lot of Americans, particularly pro-gun people, can't grasp the concept that you actually don't need a gun for defense if the average Joe Schmuck didn't have access to firearms.

That cant be true or you wouldnt ban people from buying kitchen knives....

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

I know it must seem a little silly and naïve to some Americans that a bunch of Brits are marching to try and prevent knife crime, but we don't have tens of thousands of people dying each and every year from gun crime, so we do what we can to make our country safer.

Actually what seems silly and naive is that folks over here have been saying that this is the next step for years. I remember people saying "What's next, are you going to ban knives? Because people get killed with them too." and watching them get ridiculed for their insane slippery-slope arguments. Guess they weren't so insane after all.

Our knife laws came into being in 1997.
So certain knives have been banned since then.

The majority of our arguments about knives-vs-guns is that you are more likely to survive a knife attack than one where a firearm is used.
I don't recall anyone saying that a knife isn't dangerous.... just less dangerous than a gun.

I also think that half the problem is the mental picture of assailants and robbers accosting/intruding on others.
In the US, it is assumed that the perpetrator will be armed and thus you need arms for defense.
Here, the perpetrator isn't likely to be armed, not even with a knife, so arms and other defense weapons aren't usually needed.

So the typical American "what do you do when faced with the burglar..... give up and run or shoot him" question is usually nullified by "grab a broom, you're more likely to be better armed for defense than the assailant".
I'm not saying that applies across the board because there are some unfortunate circumstances when it isn't true. But for the majority of instances, it is.
And that's why a lot of Americans, particularly pro-gun people, can't grasp the concept that you actually don't need a gun for defense if the average Joe Schmuck didn't have access to firearms.

That cant be true or you wouldnt ban people from buying kitchen knives....

Where do you get that insane idea from??
That would only apply to buying from websites like Ebay.
If you are over 18 (and can prove it) you can buy all sorts of knives - kitchen or otherwise.
What you aren't allowed to do, like with guns, is wander around the streets with them without a very good (and provable) reason. Self-defense isn't considered a good enough reason to carry certain knives.

Maan... you have a warped sense of our laws.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
you have to be OVER 18 to buy a steak knife, And thats completely okay?

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
You can go to jail for 4 years for carrying knives you bought, to a friends house if the courts DEEM it wasnt a good enough reasons...

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
Yeah... no thats perfectly sane right there...

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
I bought my mom and dad a knife set for their anniversary when I was 12, according to your laws, Im fucking criminal.... You dont see the insanity there?

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ORIGINAL: darkwanderer3305

I know my ideas on self defense are not shared by many people around the world, but, they are still my ideas. With that in mind, here is a little (true) story to illustrate my thoughts on knives....

Once upon a time, about 15 years ago, after a long day at work, I wanted nothing more than to grab a soda from the drink machine before heading to my hotel room to pass out until the next long day at work. It was a frigid evening, so, I suppose I looked like an innocent victim. When I was huddled in my coat, picking through the change from my pocket to put into the machine, I heard someone rush up behind me.

I turned to see a kid, no more than 18-19 (if that). He raised his hand and made a motion. The tip of his switchblade knife swung into view with a loud CLICK... "Give me your money and you won't get hurt!", he squeaked...

I laughed, slung off my coat and reached into the back of my belt to free my bowie knife. I exclaimed loudly, "Aw hell yeah, I've been waiting all day for a dumbass like you to show up!"

Well, he ran like the wind, so, we never got to figure out which of us was better. The fact is that attitude, and a bigger knife, allowed me to keep my money, my knife, and the little switchblade (which I still have today).

Would I have cut him if he advanced on me? Hell yes!!!!

Look, you can live your life with the rosy "that's not going to happen to me" attitude. Statistics show that some of you will die because of that attitude. So, personally, I choose to live in reality where thugs are armed, so, I am too. Period.

And that's all I've got to say about that....