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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Yeah, people who get serious illnesses and experience pain for years on end are whining, self inflicted drama queens. I know I chose to get cancer, thanks so much for pointing that out to all of us.

As for some people being stronger than others, I don't know what you have experienced seeing loved ones die slowly in agony or you yourself, if you ever get an illness that makes you wish you would never wake up, but how dare you accuse people who are ill of not being strong.

Edited to add that yes, you are cold hearted and lack empathy. But I suspect you find that a compliment.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw


Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to.

My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that.

Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does.

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ORIGINAL: MasterVenom13
I just can't understand how a person could put their loved ones through that.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to.

My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that.

Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me.

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I read about a study a few years ago about suicide and those that are at the end of their life and in pain, basically, they result was that if people could control their pain level by having control of how much pain meds they could have (rather than a doctor deciding that), then most would choose to live rather than commit suicide.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

This is a fast reply.

My woman is a hospice nurse. She and I have had discussions of the horrors she has seen people suffer because our society tends to frown on terminally ill patients choosing to end their lives. She and I have had lengthy discussions about assisted suicide and the fact that we both agree with it. If someone that is terminal wants to die on their own terms, I believe that should be their right and their choice. Personally, I would like to die with some dignity.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

It leaves loved ones angry

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Regardless, if someone I love was to commit suicide the last thing I would be is angry. Devastated, saddened, wish I'd known and could have helped etc. But, certainly not angry that someone in a lot of pain decided that the pain was too much to bear.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Interesting read this thread.

I've known people that tried it and failed (both my children). I've know people that tried and succeeded. I've known quite a few people that have talked about it, whether they've ever tried and failed I don't know. I live in constant expectation of a phone call about one person I love dearly.

I used to have quite strong feelings about those that do it. The whole coward bit. However, my feelings have mellowed. One, I don't have strong fearful feelings about death. It's part of life and none of us are going to escape it. I've come to conclude if someone really wants to opt out, that's their choice. I'd just prefer to not have to deal with a mess because of it. A very selfish approach I have towards it..........."go ahead and do it, just make it a nice clean tidy thing would ya..."

I don't have any religious mindset that affects my thoughts.......the whole 'sin' business. Meh.

I suspect the truth is, some of us are stronger than others of us. Some of us have mental illness and a built in book of excuses, others manage to take responsibility for their personal well being and get the help they need to soldier through it. Some people seem to relish being perpetual victims of life. It's all they know, it's their comfort zone. Regardless of how painful it is. Others recognize they don't have to life that way and go in search of a better path.

Call me cold hearted and lacking empathy, I may even agree with you. But I figure there are already too many of us humans on this big rock. If a few want to jump off a bridge and become fish food, or splatter their brains all over the rose garden, making especially big colourful blossoms the next season, I guess that's their right. Truth be told, I'd rather some people do it instead of constantly complaining about how horrible their life is when it's obvious they are creating a helluva lot of their own horrible. When they have nothing but excuses as to why they constantly make bad choices and end up suffering the consequences.

Truth is, it's usually not the whining self inflicting ones that do it. They'd rather piss and moan and go looking for sympathy.

Yeah, people who get serious illnesses and experience pain for years on end are whining, self inflicted drama queens. I know I chose to get cancer, thanks so much for pointing that out to all of us.

As for some people being stronger than others, I don't know what you have experienced seeing loved ones die slowly in agony or you yourself, if you ever get an illness that makes you wish you would never wake up, but how dare you accuse people who are ill of not being strong.

Edited to add that yes, you are cold hearted and lack empathy. But I suspect you find that a compliment.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I can't duscuss this as clearly as I want to.

My 91 year old grandfather should not have had to live in pain as long as he did. I'm even more a supporter of assisted suicide than I was before. It's fucked up that he had to live like that.

Gauge- give your lady an extra squeeze for me. Hospice was a miracle for my family recently and she does the work of angels. I can't even express my gratitude to hospice. I don't know how anyone does what she does.

I read about a study a few years ago about suicide and those that are at the end of their life and in pain, basically, they result was that if people could control their pain level by having control of how much pain meds they could have (rather than a doctor deciding that), then most would choose to live rather than commit suicide.. So it seems that the level of pain is a major factor in a persons decision to do that or not do that.. The problem being that doctors control the pain meds and the govt controls the doctors.. doctors don't want to lose their license or be put on trial, possibly go to jail cuz they gave someone too many prescription meds & that person overdosed/died.. I know someone who is 90 and she is always wanting pain pills but the doctor only gives her a prescription for 4/day.. The govt has increased restrictions on that drug even more lately (& also more to prevent doctor shopping).. making it more difficult for people in pain to get a level of comfort they can (literally) live with..