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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 5:51:15 AM   
Exidor


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I'm no coward, I am not weak, I am not all alone, I have a great support system and a wonderful woman who loves me more than life itself, I am simply tired of fighting this all the time... and so, I think about suicide.


Do you take allergy medication?

It is slowly coming to light that most antihistamines cause varying amounts of depression.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 6:36:25 AM   
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Forgive me, Greta, but the guy sounds like a major loser himself.

His someone I am often at loggerheads with, so doesn't bother me. We're the same age and we often clash on opinions on everything, but we just share the same clique of friends.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 6:37:37 AM   
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It is slowly coming to light that most antihistamines cause varying amounts of depression.

Really???????????????
I take alot of antihistamine! As I always get like sensitivities to dust, eye irritation, nose irritation! And the antihistamine makes a difference.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 6:56:54 AM   
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When I hear of a suicide, I feel sadness.  It's a reminder of my darkest times.  When I was lost and desperate and wanting it all to end.  I have been to that point and when my attempts went unsuccessful, it depressed me more.  It was that time when I felt like a coward.  Not because I reached that point but instead because I couldn't complete the task.  That made me feel weak.  I was given something I didn't ask for and I didn't have the strength to end it.  

Many people know what it's like, I know I'm not alone.  At those darkest moments though, one is alone.  It's walking a path and each turn is a dead end.  A rain cloud always above you.  Only you.  It's where the flowers die as you walk by.  Only you.  
There is no sun, no joy, no laughter.  It's as if you're in a glass box covered in mirrors.  You can't see, hear, smell, or touch the things everyone else can.  No one can see you behind the mirrors, but you can see them.  Once in a while a glimmer of hope, it seems that someone can see you.  They're trying to look through, then nothing.  They've given up.  

Depression sits inside a person, on their back, shoulders, head, in their heart.  It's everywhere.   It consumes it's host.  Some carry the burden for years and some succumb to the pain and feel they have no other way to detach from the monster. 

You physically ache from the burden.  You sleep when it lets you.  
It doesn't want anyone around, but you do.  It doesn't want to have fun, but you do.  
You try to hide from it, but it finds you.  You watch out for it, but it's invisible.  
You want to push it away, but it's a ghost.  
And just like the ghosts from spooky stories, some either believe in its powers and some do not.  But I assure you, it's very real.  

Depression IS hell on earth.  

Depression is selfish.  The victims of it are not.  Depression doesn't care who it inflicts or what other issues a person has going on.  It doesn't care that the person is a mother, father, sister, brother, or friend.  It doesn't care.  It comes and goes as it pleases.  

There won't always be signs and it's not easy to seek help.  Sometimes, there's fear of what will people think, how will they react, I don't want to burden them, they won't believe me, no one can help me, they just don't understand.  
Some people will be better at spotting depression in another much easier, some will have no clue.  It is no one's fault, really.  

Depression is not always the cause for suicide.  Illness, disease, conditions may be the driving force behind suicide.  For me, it doesn't matter why.  Emotional pain is just as awful as the physical.  
If someone feels enough cause to end their own life, that's their own decision and they know why.  

That's just my take, anyway, and what goes through my mind each and every time I hear of a suicide.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 10:46:14 AM   
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I know a guy who thinks that all people who wants to commit suicide are losers and don't deserve to live. So anyway, he had a female friend who confined in him that she feels like killing herself. He told her to go ahead, nobody gives a shit! The thing about this dude is, that he believes in tough love, hardcore talk, and all that shit, he believes that mollycoddling actually enables the problems.

But in this true story, that girl was in her early 20's. She jump off a building and killed herself.

And I said to him, despite that happening, how could he possibly still feel the way he does towards suicidal people? And he simply said, her dying was not his fault, she was planning to die already anyway! But I felt, he pushed her over the edge when she reached out to him. But he still feels, that may be so, but then she don't deserve to live if she did not want to live.

There are some psychologists out there who actually do believe in this reverse psychological method to help suicidal victims, but...., I just hope who-ever uses it, make really good judgement that, this person can really turn around through harsh reverse psychology.



Guy sounds like he needs a smack upside the head with a tire iron and about 55cc's of humanity and compassion injected into him.




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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 10:49:05 AM   
Gauge


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ORIGINAL: Exidor

Do you take allergy medication?

It is slowly coming to light that most antihistamines cause varying amounts of depression.


I've suffered from mental illness all my life. I do not take allergy medication, but I used to. There was no change in my depressive episodes one way or another.

I caution people not to get on board with every little finding and study that they read. A lot of them are garbage.

Cite the study if you would.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 11:28:31 AM   
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@TheShyType

If you would allow me, why do you feel depression infects people? Even metaophorically. Depression in my humble opinion is a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation. If more people acted upon what was causing their depression more people would find each other and help each other resolve their issues.

@Tj444
Meh, really, if I make a default reply the darn thing shouldn't say it's directed to the poster above!
Do know though, that I deeply value your most valuable of advice. I hope Gauge doesn't suffer the same fate as you have!

< Message edited by YouName -- 12/3/2014 11:33:43 AM >

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 11:47:02 AM   
Gauge


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@TheShyType

If you would allow me, why do you feel depression infects people? Even metaophorically. Depression in my humble opinion is a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation. If more people acted upon what was causing their depression more people would find each other and help each other resolve their issues.



Metaphorically speaking depression as an infectious agent is an apt description. Depression is an invader, it sickens its host.

Please do not mix up situational depressive events with chronic mental illness. Depression caused by an "unhealthy" situation is normal for a lot of people. Their cat died, a friend died, they lost their job and so on, are all things people get depressed from. Mental illness is constant, relentless and unforgiving.

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I hope Gauge doesn't suffer the same fate as you have!


Not sure what you mean by this. Care to explain?



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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 11:51:19 AM   
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I disagree. Life can cast a curse, a very real curse on you. Depression thus becomes permanent until that curse is lifted by you or a benelovent power. The chemical imbalances it causes will make it more difficult to resolve the problems which have caused it in the first place. But it is still necessary I think. Up to a point, when it breaks the person and leads to suicide or madness.



And meh, it's just a lil thing we have going. It seems you have not suffered her ill fate. Blessed be for you are immune to its effects.

< Message edited by YouName -- 12/3/2014 11:53:42 AM >

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 11:58:01 AM   
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I disagree. Life can cast a curse, a very real curse on you. Depression thus becomes permanent until that curse is lifted by you or a benelovent power. The chemical imbalances it causes will make it more difficult to resolve the problems which have caused it in the first place. But it is still necessary I think. Up to a point, when it breaks the person and leads to suicide or madness.



I have written and deleted several things to respond to this. I'm going to just let this go.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 12:01:38 PM   
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People can see things differently. We don't have to convince each other. It serves no purpose when it comes to these things.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 12:04:56 PM   
Gauge


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People can see things differently. We don't have to convince each other. It serves no purpose when it comes to these things.


I did it for those exact reasons.


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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 12:08:46 PM   
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I shouldn't even have written that I disagree. I'm sorry about that. There's not much to agree or disagree with. Only learn a lil :)
Off to get rubbed by other men in a totaly non-gay way, I swear.

Later :)

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 1:53:50 PM   
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@TheShyType

If you would allow me, why do you feel depression infects people? Even metaophorically. Depression in my humble opinion is a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation. If more people acted upon what was causing their depression more people would find each other and help each other resolve their issues.


This reads as if under the assumption those that commit suicide did not seek help already.  

I wouldn't refer to depression as a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation.  
Except, maybe, situational depression as Gauge mentioned. 

A classmate of mine that did commit suicide on account of his diagnosed schizophrenia couldn't remove himself from his situation.  If it had been that easy, I'm certain he would have.  


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ORIGINAL: YouName

I disagree. Life can cast a curse, a very real curse on you. Depression thus becomes permanent until that curse is lifted by you or a benelovent power. The chemical imbalances it causes will make it more difficult to resolve the problems which have caused it in the first place. But it is still necessary I think. Up to a point, when it breaks the person and leads to suicide or madness.


Here, it almost reads as though you've answered your own question to me. Sounds like an infection (yes, metaphorically).

Sometimes infections go away on their own. Sometimes help is needed. Sometimes help is sought but the infection is too great to control.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 2:26:32 PM   
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Power outages and turkish baths don't go well together.

I'd say his infection was his schizophrenia and unable to defeat or survive it he lost. It's not easy, simple problems don't tend to lead to depression. Sometimes they are insurmountable.


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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 5:16:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

quote:

ORIGINAL: YouName

I disagree. Life can cast a curse, a very real curse on you. Depression thus becomes permanent until that curse is lifted by you or a benelovent power. The chemical imbalances it causes will make it more difficult to resolve the problems which have caused it in the first place. But it is still necessary I think. Up to a point, when it breaks the person and leads to suicide or madness.



I have written and deleted several things to respond to this. I'm going to just let this go.

There's always "Well, bless your heart."


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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 5:21:43 PM   
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When I hear of a suicide, I feel sadness.  It's a reminder of my darkest times.  When I was lost and desperate and wanting it all to end.  I have been to that point and when my attempts went unsuccessful, it depressed me more.  It was that time when I felt like a coward.  Not because I reached that point but instead because I couldn't complete the task.  That made me feel weak.  I was given something I didn't ask for and I didn't have the strength to end it.  

Many people know what it's like, I know I'm not alone.  At those darkest moments though, one is alone.  It's walking a path and each turn is a dead end.  A rain cloud always above you.  Only you.  It's where the flowers die as you walk by.  Only you.  
There is no sun, no joy, no laughter.  It's as if you're in a glass box covered in mirrors.  You can't see, hear, smell, or touch the things everyone else can.  No one can see you behind the mirrors, but you can see them.  Once in a while a glimmer of hope, it seems that someone can see you.  They're trying to look through, then nothing.  They've given up.  

Depression sits inside a person, on their back, shoulders, head, in their heart.  It's everywhere.   It consumes it's host.  Some carry the burden for years and some succumb to the pain and feel they have no other way to detach from the monster. 

You physically ache from the burden.  You sleep when it lets you.  
It doesn't want anyone around, but you do.  It doesn't want to have fun, but you do.  
You try to hide from it, but it finds you.  You watch out for it, but it's invisible.  
You want to push it away, but it's a ghost.  
And just like the ghosts from spooky stories, some either believe in its powers and some do not.  But I assure you, it's very real.  

Depression IS hell on earth.  

Depression is selfish.  The victims of it are not.  Depression doesn't care who it inflicts or what other issues a person has going on.  It doesn't care that the person is a mother, father, sister, brother, or friend.  It doesn't care.  It comes and goes as it pleases.  

There won't always be signs and it's not easy to seek help.  Sometimes, there's fear of what will people think, how will they react, I don't want to burden them, they won't believe me, no one can help me, they just don't understand.  
Some people will be better at spotting depression in another much easier, some will have no clue.  It is no one's fault, really.  

Depression is not always the cause for suicide.  Illness, disease, conditions may be the driving force behind suicide.  For me, it doesn't matter why.  Emotional pain is just as awful as the physical.  
If someone feels enough cause to end their own life, that's their own decision and they know why.  

That's just my take, anyway, and what goes through my mind each and every time I hear of a suicide.

A confession: Making my way through CM threads, I tend to skim. But your words arrested my attention so much that I scrolled back up and reread your post with the care it deserves.

Two words of response: Thank you! You wrote deeply and beautifully about a hell I know all too well, and I'm incredibly grateful.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 6:21:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: theshytype

When I hear of a suicide, I feel sadness.  It's a reminder of my darkest times.  When I was lost and desperate and wanting it all to end.  I have been to that point and when my attempts went unsuccessful, it depressed me more.  It was that time when I felt like a coward.  Not because I reached that point but instead because I couldn't complete the task.  That made me feel weak.  I was given something I didn't ask for and I didn't have the strength to end it.  

Many people know what it's like, I know I'm not alone.  At those darkest moments though, one is alone.  It's walking a path and each turn is a dead end.  A rain cloud always above you.  Only you.  It's where the flowers die as you walk by.  Only you.  
There is no sun, no joy, no laughter.  It's as if you're in a glass box covered in mirrors.  You can't see, hear, smell, or touch the things everyone else can.  No one can see you behind the mirrors, but you can see them.  Once in a while a glimmer of hope, it seems that someone can see you.  They're trying to look through, then nothing.  They've given up.  

Depression sits inside a person, on their back, shoulders, head, in their heart.  It's everywhere.   It consumes it's host.  Some carry the burden for years and some succumb to the pain and feel they have no other way to detach from the monster. 

You physically ache from the burden.  You sleep when it lets you.  
It doesn't want anyone around, but you do.  It doesn't want to have fun, but you do.  
You try to hide from it, but it finds you.  You watch out for it, but it's invisible.  
You want to push it away, but it's a ghost.  
And just like the ghosts from spooky stories, some either believe in its powers and some do not.  But I assure you, it's very real.  

Depression IS hell on earth.  

Depression is selfish.  The victims of it are not.  Depression doesn't care who it inflicts or what other issues a person has going on.  It doesn't care that the person is a mother, father, sister, brother, or friend.  It doesn't care.  It comes and goes as it pleases.  

There won't always be signs and it's not easy to seek help.  Sometimes, there's fear of what will people think, how will they react, I don't want to burden them, they won't believe me, no one can help me, they just don't understand.  
Some people will be better at spotting depression in another much easier, some will have no clue.  It is no one's fault, really.  

Depression is not always the cause for suicide.  Illness, disease, conditions may be the driving force behind suicide.  For me, it doesn't matter why.  Emotional pain is just as awful as the physical.  
If someone feels enough cause to end their own life, that's their own decision and they know why.  

That's just my take, anyway, and what goes through my mind each and every time I hear of a suicide.



I must agree with DC. This is such an apt description of depression.

You win the Internet.

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 6:51:29 PM   
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I must agree with DC.

Were wiser words ever posted?

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RE: Suicide. - 12/3/2014 7:31:04 PM   
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Thank you, DC and Gauge.

I truly appreciate it.
Depression and suicide are topics I deeply care about, having been there myself.
I try to speak as openly and as graphically as possible about my experience.
Unfortunately, I know too well that words cannot fully describe it, especially in such a way others who have not experienced will understand.

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