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BamaD -> What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:09:33 PM)
There are reports of a hostage situation in Sydney. The reports indicate a good chance or terrorism. Anyone have better information?

Musicmystery -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:16:06 PM)
Online newspapers don't work in your house? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/15/world/asia/hostages-are-held-inside-cafe-in-australia-police-say.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 SYDNEY, Australia — Armed police surrounded a café in Sydney’s central business district Monday morning after one or more gunmen took hostages and displayed a black flag with Arabic script in white in the cafe window. A police spokesman confirmed officers were called to the Lindt Chocolate Café, in Martin Place, a major shopping and pedestrian thoroughfare, at around 10 a.m. A commercial television network, Channel Seven, which has a studio near the cafe, showed footage of people, wearing the Lindt uniforms, pressed against the cafe windows, displaying the flag. The police have shut down parts of the city’s transport system, and closed off the mall area. They would not confirm how many people were being held hostage inside the cafe, nor whether those inside are armed. Local media reports said that the airspace over Sydney had been closed and the famed Sydney Opera House evacuated. Television images showed heavily armed officers with their weapons trained on the cafe. “A police operation is underway,” a police spokeswoman said. “It involves both local police and tactical or specialist police commands.” Fire crew and other emergency services have been sent to the central business district and helicopters could be seen and heard flying over the city. Police would not provide further details as the siege unfolded. But live television footage showed shoppers and office workers gathered some distance from the cafe, behind shelters, and television news showed heavily armed police officers in the area. A cafe worker told the Australian Broadcasting Corportation that he tried to enter the cafe at around 9:45 a.m., but found the doors locked and he saw people inside sitting down. The police arrived shortly after, he said. Major offices within the vicinity have been evacuated or placed in shut down, including the country’s Reserve Bank, in Martin Place. Three of Australia’s biggest banks have offices in Martin Place, or within walking distance of the pedestrian mall, and the state’s Parliament, and some law courts are close by.

subrosaDom -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:20:34 PM)
It's the Religion of Peace again. There is a flag with Arabic writing. Likely it's not the neo-Gandhi movement. And with Australia's anti-gun laws, no one had any way to stop him. 13 people, perhaps more, sitting ducks. Of course, the Islamic terrorist has a gun. Law doesn't matter to him.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:23:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom It's the Religion of Peace again. There is a flag with Arabic writing. Likely it's not the neo-Gandhi movement. And with Australia's anti-gun laws, no one had any way to stop him. 13 people, perhaps more, sitting ducks. Of course, the Islamic terrorist has a gun. Law doesn't matter to him. The gun control argument is not relevant to terrorist having them. but yes the reports indicate a black flag with Arabic writing, not a good sign.

subrosaDom -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom It's the Religion of Peace again. There is a flag with Arabic writing. Likely it's not the neo-Gandhi movement. And with Australia's anti-gun laws, no one had any way to stop him. 13 people, perhaps more, sitting ducks. Of course, the Islamic terrorist has a gun. Law doesn't matter to him. The gun control argument is not relevant to terrorist having them. but yes the reports indicate a black flag with Arabic writing, not a good sign. It's relevant to out of apparently the more than 40-50 people in the cafe (not 13), at least a few would have been carrying. An explanation of the flag seen in the cafe windows From national security correspondent David Wroe: The flag being shown in the window is not an Islamic State flag, nor one for the other best-known jihadist group Jabhat al-Nusra. Rather, it appears to be a Shahada flag, which represents a general expression of faith in Islam, though has been co-opted by various jihadist groups. Greg Barton, a terrorism expert from Monash University, says that "getting hold of an [Islamic State] flag would be quite difficult, and people will make do with what they have got". That means it doesn't help confirm or rule out that the hostage-takers' affiliation is with Islamic State or any other group.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 6:40:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom It's the Religion of Peace again. There is a flag with Arabic writing. Likely it's not the neo-Gandhi movement. And with Australia's anti-gun laws, no one had any way to stop him. 13 people, perhaps more, sitting ducks. Of course, the Islamic terrorist has a gun. Law doesn't matter to him. The gun control argument is not relevant to terrorist having them. but yes the reports indicate a black flag with Arabic writing, not a good sign. It's relevant to out of apparently the more than 40-50 people in the cafe (not 13), at least a few would have been carrying. An explanation of the flag seen in the cafe windows From national security correspondent David Wroe: The flag being shown in the window is not an Islamic State flag, nor one for the other best-known jihadist group Jabhat al-Nusra. Rather, it appears to be a Shahada flag, which represents a general expression of faith in Islam, though has been co-opted by various jihadist groups. Greg Barton, a terrorism expert from Monash University, says that "getting hold of an [Islamic State] flag would be quite difficult, and people will make do with what they have got". That means it doesn't help confirm or rule out that the hostage-takers' affiliation is with Islamic State or any other group. What I meant was that terrorists fall outside the control of gun control. Of course it results in a disarmed populace.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 7:15:10 PM)
Another anti-gun control rant! Jee-zus Aych Christ! [sm=binky.gif]

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 7:26:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking Another anti-gun control rant! Jee-zus Aych Christ! [sm=binky.gif] If you could read you would know you are wrong. If anything it is an anti terrorist rant, shame you can't put aside your anti-gun bias. I am trying to find out what is happening there. As I said earlier terrorism is outside of the ability of any gun control law to stop.

Musicmystery -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 7:39:21 PM)
He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|]

Aylee -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 8:00:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|] Bama is not the one that brought up gun control.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 8:02:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|] Bama is not the one that brought up gun control. There you go injecting facts.

Aylee -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 9:19:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|] Bama is not the one that brought up gun control. There you go injecting facts. Sorry.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 9:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|] Bama is not the one that brought up gun control. There you go injecting facts. Sorry. You should know better.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 9:50:04 PM)
Latest report I have seen says three of the hostages escaped.

BamaD -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 9:56:43 PM)
Allegedly the cops down there have not been in contact with the hostage taker, the guy in charge says he isn't a negotiator. I sure hope that either the reports are way behind or they aren't telling us everything.

Kirata -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/14/2014 11:05:40 PM)
Updates here: #BREAKING K.

susie -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 1:18:51 AM)
Five people have escaped. Three men and two women. They are currently being assessed before being interviewed by the police.

thishereboi -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 5:34:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He was probably confused by the way you brought up gun control in your "anti-terrorist" rant. [8\|] If he thought Bama brought up gun control then you are right, he is confused.

thishereboi -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 5:37:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Latest report I have seen says three of the hostages escaped. this latest one http://news.yahoo.com/major-police-operation-unfolding-sydney-235744145.html says 2 more have gotten away. I just hope the rest are ok also.

tweakabelle -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/15/2014 6:03:39 AM)
As of circa midnight tonight (Mon/Tues) Sydney time the following is known:' One or more armed person(s) is holding an unknown number of hostages in a Sydney cafe; The NSW police confirm the gunman is known to them and that they are engaged in negotiations. Some demands have been advanced but these have not been made public; and A black flag proclaiming an Islamic message has been held up to the windows of the cafe. No organisation or group has claimed responsibility for the incident. As of the time of writing no one has been injured. It is likely that police strategy will be to try to sit it out, keep talking to and negotiating with the hostage taker(s) and hope for a peaceful resolution in time. While the incident is unfolding at one cafe in central Sydney, there appears to have been a massive over-reaction by the authorities to whatever wider threat may or may not exist. The authorities have placed a lid on information and are keeping the media and the rest of us in the dark. Most media reporting is focussing on so-called 'lone wolf' attacks. A number of Australian Muslim groups have strongly condemned the incident and called for the law to be enforced against the perpetrator(s). As I write news has just emerged that the gunman is Man Haron Monis, an Iranian cleric with a long list of violent quasi-.political and sexual assault charges pending including being an accessory to the murder of his wife. Monis has a conviction for sending offensive messages to the families of Australian soldiers who have died or been injured in the Middle East. Monis' lawyer insists that Monis is a one-off actor and not part of any larger group. Those wishing to stay on top of the situation might like to visit the following websites for reliable accurate reporting: www.abc.net.au (the Australian version of the BBC) or www.smh.com.au (Sydney's quality newspaper) Sydney people, concerned at a possible backlash against our Muslim community have started a hashtag, #illridewithyou offering to ride on public transport with Muslims as an act of public solidarity. The hashtag went viral in a few hours.

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