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Out of curiosity, did you MISS this part: I do not think that marriage is a right. It is a contract. Which means it should fall under contract law. Anyone 18 or older that has not been deemed unfit by a judge should be able to enter into a contract.

Your allowed to think marriage is not a right. I disagree with you. As I pointed out, that marriage offers much more than just a legal or religious viewpoint. Contract law states that both parties must be in agreement on terms and be above the age of 18. If they are not above that age, they must have the consent of their parents or other legal guardian(s). As it stands with things right now, a gay couple does not need to go to a judge to determine if they are fit to be married.

Why all the hatred towards gay people, btw

Or do you just not understand what those words mean?

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Seems the left can only deal with those who express a dissenting opinion by calling them haters.

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

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Seems the left can only deal with those who express a dissenting opinion by calling them haters.

Obviously you don't read HunterCA's posts.* Often they consist of little else other than calling others 'haters'. And no one would ever accuse Hunter of being a leftist .....

* I can understand why some one wouldn't read Hunter's posts - they are trashy aren't they?

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

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And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

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Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

Just how many anti gay bakers have been destroyed?

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how many people have had to wait for equality?
how long have we been waiting for god to prove ANYTHING
Why should ANYONE have to wait for God to show himself before they can have equality under the law.?

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

Just how many anti gay bakers have been destroyed?

I know of at least 3 bakers. 2 of them...a couple...have not only watched their business be destroyed but their liquidity, to the tune of $135,000.00. How many gay couples have been torn apart by a bakery's refusal to bake them a wedding cake?

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how many people have had to wait for equality?
how long have we been waiting for god to prove ANYTHING
Why should ANYONE have to wait for God to show himself before they can have equality under the law.?

It won't be God who proves that "gay" is not a choice, it will be science. But if science does prove that being "gay" is not genetic but ...just as are religious beliefs, beliefs that one race is superior to another, beliefs in no God...is a choice...what then?

We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

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Aylee post 15: I do not think that marriage is a right. It is a contract. Which means it should fall under contract law. Anyone 18 or older that has not been deemed unfit by a judge should be able to enter into a contract.

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Aylee post 21: I do not disagree with the effect of the ruling. I disagree with the means, not the end.

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but the answer isn't to force people to agree with you

Don't you think this statement a little ironic? After all the religious right, and Republicans in general, BEFORE this ruling were forcing gays and their supporters to agree with them. The difference, and the majority of the Supreme Court points out, granting the same rights to gays takes no right away from the religious right and their supporters.

Butch

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But I am not a leftist, I am an ACTUAL conservative, in the traditional sense.

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

Do you think that Marc should not be allowed to speak about God in that way?

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And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

This has been explained to you many, many times.

Requiring a baker not to discriminate against people on the grounds of the colour of their skin, their gender or their sexuality is not asking them to "bow down" it is expecting them not to discriminate.

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Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

Ah yes, but you can't always tell from looking at the outside of a shop. Do you favour shops displaying signs like "No gays here" ?

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it comes down to the majority view

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Here's a little something:

A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans — an all-time high — support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones.

That figure included "37 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents, and 76 percent of Democrats," as we reported last month. And it included all age groups except for one: those 65 and over 65.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

I hear you loud and clear......... 63% of Republicans dont support same sex marriage, while 24% of Democrats are also against it ?

Seems to me Republicans have some way to go to catch up, and it is odd that you are gleeful to have noticed 24% of Democrats are against it but quite about 63% of Republicans are against it.

I guess basic maths isnt your strong point CD.

If that's what you think the point was...my mathematical skills...then your reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

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Yeah, I take your point. So putting a sign up saying "No gays here" would likely cause more trouble with the "uppity gays".