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But I am not a leftist, I am an ACTUAL conservative, in the traditional sense.

So, a communist, then.

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Here's a little something:

A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans — an all-time high — support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones.

That figure included "37 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents, and 76 percent of Democrats," as we reported last month. And it included all age groups except for one: those 65 and over 65.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

I hear you loud and clear......... 63% of Republicans dont support same sex marriage, while 24% of Democrats are also against it ?

Seems to me Republicans have some way to go to catch up, and it is odd that you are gleeful to have noticed 24% of Democrats are against it but quite about 63% of Republicans are against it.

I guess basic maths isnt your strong point CD.

If that's what you think the point was...my mathematical skills...then your reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

Your point was, like all your points, complete bollocks. Your lack of maths just highlights it because the figures dont lie.

Your point was, as we are apt to say over here, arse backwards.

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But you still refuse to see that its not against rw fundie christians beliefs, ITS against LEGISLATING those beliefs against the rights of other people.
why can you not get that.
Legislating against equality for ALL americans.

Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

Do you think that Marc should not be allowed to speak about God in that way?

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And as for legislating beliefs against other people, what do you think forcing a Christian couple to 'bow' to a gay couple's beliefs for something as petty as a wedding cake is? A case of "you can't legislate your beliefs against me because there is no proof that there is a God to base your beliefs upon? While there is proof that I am wired to be gay so my beliefs CAN be legislated against you?

Except...whoops...there isn't proof yet. As cited over and over on other threads.

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Hooray for the gays. I've been invited...and will attend...my cousin's now-legal renewal vows with her partner. But you know...somehow, they managed to choose a bakery that they know is gay-friendly instead of going out of their way to find a Christian bakery that wasn't.

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

Great...then I want to see gay couples going into a Muslim bakery and asking for a gay wedding cake...I want to see carnivorous couples going to a vegan caterer and asking them to serve filet mignon at a group meeting.

That's equality, right? Everyone treated equally, no matter their beliefs? I seriously doubt that the vegan caterer's beliefs are any deeper than the Christian couple forced to pay $ 135,000.00 for acting upon their beliefs. Or that the Muslim's beliefs are any deeper than the Christians.

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IF You go to a vegan caterer, and demand steak
more idiot you.
Dietary restrictions may well be allied with religious issues, veganism is a strongly held belief, and handling meat is a religious dietary restriction as old as the hills and religion. BUT baking a cake is not a dietary restriction in ANY religion...as far as I know.

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

Great...then I want to see gay couples going into a Muslim bakery and asking for a gay wedding cake...I want to see carnivorous couples going to a vegan caterer and asking them to serve filet mignon at a group meeting.

That's equality, right? Everyone treated equally, no matter their beliefs? I seriously doubt that the vegan caterer's beliefs are any deeper than the Christian couple forced to pay $ 135,000.00 for acting upon their beliefs. Or that the Muslim's beliefs are any deeper than the Christians.

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Lets all pause for an hour of hate...

It seems to me to be much more about an end of an aspect of hate and the beginning of making a certain sort of love easier to make reality, I think - especially that between members of the same sex who want to get married.

I think this thread shows that there is a lot of hatred towards republicans or just anyone that disagrees with the ruling.

I disagree with the ruling because I do not think that marriage is a right. It is a contract. Which means it should fall under contract law. Anyone 18 or older that has not been deemed unfit by a judge should be able to enter into a contract.

I also disagree that it is a right in the Constitution because the Constitution is mainly about the Federal Government. Marriage contracts fall under the 10th and are reserved for the states. This is why you find the marriage stuff in state constitutions.

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

Great...then I want to see gay couples going into a Muslim bakery and asking for a gay wedding cake...I want to see carnivorous couples going to a vegan caterer and asking them to serve filet mignon at a group meeting.

That's equality, right? Everyone treated equally, no matter their beliefs? I seriously doubt that the vegan caterer's beliefs are any deeper than the Christian couple forced to pay $ 135,000.00 for acting upon their beliefs. Or that the Muslim's beliefs are any deeper than the Christians.

First of all, gay couples should absolutely be able to go into a Muslim bakery and ask for a cake for theiir wedding.

Secondly, a caterer (vegan or not) who doesn't cater any meat dishes is under NO obligation to cater meat dishes for anyone (carniverous or not), as long as he/she does nott pick and choose for whom he/she will cater meat dishes.

Just treat everyone equally and fairly. If you are not open on Sunday, due to your religious beliefs, fine. Just don't open for some people and not others. It really isn't that hard.

If you are offended by doing business with some parts of your community, then you have NO buusiness doing business in that community. That is true, whether you are gay, straight, Christtian, Musllim, or anything else.

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I understand your opinion however, Justice Kennedy is saying it is a basic right and therefore guaranteed under the Constitution. I find it hard to understand how some Republicans and fewer Democrats that believe in basic human rights don't agree. It seems against their tenets when it comes to governing.
Butch

How is it a basic right?
I agree with Aylee that it would come under the authority of the States, and not the Federal Government. To be clear, I have no problem with homosexuals having all the same options as heterosexuals. I support allowing gay marriage.
If it is a "basic human right" for a gay couple to marry, is it going to be illegal for a church to refuse to perform a gay marriage?

I agree, but when you all talk of inalienable rights I think the exact the same thing. You don't have any rights, none whatsoever, just ways of doing things and ideas and these things may or may not become the social norm.
I don't think it is right to force the Catholic Church to marry people. It's a private institution. I'm not a catholic, and I'm not a fan of Catholicism, but I just can't see how and why it is a good thing to force them to go against their collective conscience.

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

Great...then I want to see gay couples going into a Muslim bakery and asking for a gay wedding cake...I want to see carnivorous couples going to a vegan caterer and asking them to serve filet mignon at a group meeting.

That's equality, right? Everyone treated equally, no matter their beliefs? I seriously doubt that the vegan caterer's beliefs are any deeper than the Christian couple forced to pay $ 135,000.00 for acting upon their beliefs. Or that the Muslim's beliefs are any deeper than the Christians.

First of all, gay couples should absolutely be able to go into a Muslim bakery and ask for a cake for theiir wedding.

Secondly, a caterer (vegan or not) who doesn't cater any meat dishes is under NO obligation to cater meat dishes for anyone (carniverous or not), as long as he/she does nott pick and choose for whom he/she will cater meat dishes.

Just treat everyone equally and fairly. If you are not open on Sunday, due to your religious beliefs, fine. Just don't open for some people and not others. It really isn't that hard.

If you are offended by doing business with some parts of your community, then you have NO buusiness doing business in that community. That is true, whether you are gay, straight, Christtian, Musllim, or anything else.

Last time I looked it was a free country. Are you telling me it is not?

I can sell my house to whomever I wish or not. Are you telling me not everyone has that right?

Oh wait, in this free country I must sell to whomever is qualified to buy it like it was not my house so I guess it is not free after all. No surprise here.

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I will continue to think of you as a bigot when you do.

I do not doubt that in the slightest. That is because you and others continually fail to make the distinction between the right to have an opinion with the "right" to have your opinion respected. I respect people's right to hold any opinion they want. I respect people's right to voice their opinion. I am under no obligation to actually respect their opinion. Nor am I under any obligation to keep my disagreement to myself. Too, I am under no obligation soft peddle my disagreement.

Anybody who has the unmitigated gall - the arrogant, condescending, unmitigated gall - to declare to another person that they may not enjoy the full pleasure of human dignity because . . . whatever dumb fuck reason they have . . . is a bully and a bigot. My calling then on that does not make me one in return.

This is another distinction you fail to make. People like the christian fundies discriminate against people for immutable characteristics like skin color or sexual orientation. They seek to destroy the happiness of others because they think their god disapproves of them.

I, on the other hand, am engaging in criticism, satire and yes, even mocking, but my words in no way discriminate against the fundies (they don't have to listen). My words in no way prevent the fundies from exercising their rights.

The even more critical difference is that I am criticizing certain groups not upon immutable characteristics but on choices they have made. A gay person does not choose to be gay. A fundie does choose to hate gays.

They can choose different. I hope some day they do. Until that day . . .

Fuck 'em.

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That's how things work.

In your world . . . yes.

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CreativeDominant
We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

What is it about "We are all equal under the law now" that causes you so much difficulty? Are you against everyone being equal under the law?

It's a really simple concept - just treat everyone the same. What could possibly be wrong with that? Why are you manufacturing difficulties?

Great...then I want to see gay couples going into a Muslim bakery and asking for a gay wedding cake...I want to see carnivorous couples going to a vegan caterer and asking them to serve filet mignon at a group meeting.

That's equality, right? Everyone treated equally, no matter their beliefs? I seriously doubt that the vegan caterer's beliefs are any deeper than the Christian couple forced to pay $ 135,000.00 for acting upon their beliefs. Or that the Muslim's beliefs are any deeper than the Christians.

First of all, gay couples should absolutely be able to go into a Muslim bakery and ask for a cake for theiir wedding.

Secondly, a caterer (vegan or not) who doesn't cater any meat dishes is under NO obligation to cater meat dishes for anyone (carniverous or not), as long as he/she does nott pick and choose for whom he/she will cater meat dishes.

Just treat everyone equally and fairly. If you are not open on Sunday, due to your religious beliefs, fine. Just don't open for some people and not others. It really isn't that hard.

If you are offended by doing business with some parts of your community, then you have NO buusiness doing business in that community. That is true, whether you are gay, straight, Christtian, Musllim, or anything else.

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Really? Is that why Marc talks about a "fake, psychotically sadistic God"?

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We are all equal under the law now. But what does that entail? Can I go into a Muslim or Jewish restaurant and demand pork...their beliefs be damned? Can I demand that a vegan caterer serve filet mignon at my wedding and have the weight of the law on my side?

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No one can force you to perform a service that you don't offer. But if you do offer a service then you must offer it to everyone equally. It is about the people, not the cakes and steaks.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
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IF You go to a vegan caterer, and demand steak
more idiot you.
Dietary restrictions may well be allied with religious issues, veganism is a strongly held belief, and handling meat is a religious dietary restriction as old as the hills and religion. BUT baking a cake is not a dietary restriction in ANY religion...as far as I know.

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Actually it's because you and others seem to think that the homophobics are only on the right side of the aisle and that no one on the left is against gay marriage.

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You seem determined to paint 1/2 the country as racist assholes

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and then when you are called on it you post paragraph after paragraph on respecting others and other things that have nothing to do with the comment that you sound like a bigot.

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But hey there is an election coming up so I guess you have to do what ever you can to make the republicans look evil.

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It's about the only chance you have of getting shrillary in the white house.