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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Here's a little something:

A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans — an all-time high — support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones.

That figure included "37 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents, and 76 percent of Democrats," as we reported last month. And it included all age groups except for one: those 65 and over 65.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Here's a little something:

A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans — an all-time high — support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones.

That figure included "37 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents, and 76 percent of Democrats," as we reported last month. And it included all age groups except for one: those 65 and over 65.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

I hear you loud and clear......... 63% of Republicans dont support same sex marriage, while 24% of Democrats are also against it ?

Seems to me Republicans have some way to go to catch up, and it is odd that you are gleeful to have noticed 24% of Democrats are against it but quite about 63% of Republicans are against it.

I guess basic maths isnt your strong point CD.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Today is a good day for our country. And I'll bake my own damn cake.

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ORIGINAL: DungeonDaddy67

Gays may now have "Marriage" But How many Churches do you really think are going to allow the wedding? Catholics have said NO, The Southern Baptist Church has said no way in the world!

Unless its something like Lutheran, or Unitarians or maybe some off brand religion. Most Christians, Jews, and Muslims are deeply Opposed to gay marriage. I don't see that they are going to make it stick.

I see this as people buying a gun but being refused Bullets!

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Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

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Lets all pause for an hour of hate...

It seems to me to be much more about an end of an aspect of hate and the beginning of making a certain sort of love easier to make reality, I think - especially that between members of the same sex who want to get married.

I think this thread shows that there is a lot of hatred towards republicans or just anyone that disagrees with the ruling.

Yes alot of hatred towards a group that has been hating Americans for two decades. They are the ones that pushed all the bullshit that pissed Americans off. Now they are getting all the hatred right back at them. And they desire every once of it! Maybe they should try engaging that lump three feet above their ass for something besides a paper weight! They have been on the wrong side of America on almost every major issue and helped create more problems in America.

All the liberals, moderates and some conservatives are most likely happy of the ruling. Will be interesting to see the poll numbers later this evening or in the next few days. But most people wanted gay marriage to be allowed. That is known from previous polls.

Its no surprise that the four conservatives voted against it. They'll do whatever the GOP/TP tells them to do. Chief Justice Roberts understands that he has to form a legacy. The question is "How good was the Roberts Legacy in the US Supreme Court"?" Someone years from now can say "It helped my parents live a happy life together with all the benefits of marriage".

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
I disagree with the ruling because I do not think that marriage is a right. It is a contract. Which means it should fall under contract law. Anyone 18 or older that has not been deemed unfit by a judge should be able to enter into a contract.

Marriage has a few components in the United States. There is first, a religious component. But there is a legal, financial, spiritual, philosophical, and even common sense components. The court nor anyone in favor of gay marriage has said this means a religious organization has to marry a gay couple if its against the idea. Unlike those opposing gay marriage, those for it understand that the freedom to not marry someone due to their religious beliefs is 'OK' under the law. However, it seems many people feel marriage of two gay people is a good thing. Creates stable households, more weddings and subsequently more divorces.

Vermont and Massachusetts both allow gay people to get married, followed by the rest of the Northeast states. This has been the norm for years now. No massive floods, meteor bombardments or 'Wrath of God' events have taken place like all the conservative religious nuts predicted.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
I also disagree that it is a right in the Constitution because the Constitution is mainly about the Federal Government. Marriage contracts fall under the 10th and are reserved for the states. This is why you find the marriage stuff in state constitutions.

It is a right as understood in the US Constitution: 1st amendment. The concept of the US Constitution is to determine the federal governments powers and limits over all persons within its domain. The Bill of Rights was designed to further explain the specifics of people's and organizations rights and the federal government's limitations. Before this ruling there were fourteen states opposing gay marriage, all of them red states. This includes the supposive 'free state' of Texas!

Marriage contracts, fall under the Commerce Clause, but can be overruled under the 1st amendment: Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Those opposing gay marriage believe just because others do not believe their viewpoints, they have to obey they. Well, this day marks the moment all those opposed to the religious nut fucks viewpoints got together and say 'fuck off, they are getting married!'. If marriage is not a right, they no one could get married; which all the religious nut fucks would scream '1st amendment rights'. Since they consider marriage protected under the 1st amendment, logic would dictate, it would protect all those whom are not heavily religious or not religious all together as well. 'Equal protect under the law' applies even here.

You can disagree with the verdict. I would hope you might reconsider things in light of evidence and facts.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I understand your opinion however, Justice Kennedy is saying it is a basic right and therefore guaranteed under the Constitution. I find it hard to understand how some Republicans and fewer Democrats that believe in basic human rights don't agree. It seems against their tenets when it comes to governing.
Butch

How is it a basic right?

I agree with Aylee that it would come under the authority of the States, and not the Federal Government. To be clear, I have no problem with homosexuals having all the same options as heterosexuals. I support allowing gay marriage.

If it is a "basic human right" for a gay couple to marry, is it going to be illegal for a church to refuse to perform a gay marriage?

I agree, but when you all talk of inalienable rights I think the exact the same thing. You don't have any rights, none whatsoever, just ways of doing things and ideas and these things may or may not become the social norm.

I don't think it is right to force the Catholic Church to marry people. It's a private institution. I'm not a catholic, and I'm not a fan of Catholicism, but I just can't see how and why it is a good thing to force them to go against their collective conscience.

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ORIGINAL: DungeonDaddy67

Gays may now have "Marriage" But How many Churches do you really think are going to allow the wedding? Catholics have said NO, The Southern Baptist Church has said no way in the world!

Unless its something like Lutheran, or Unitarians or maybe some off brand religion. Most Christians, Jews, and Muslims are deeply Opposed to gay marriage. I don't see that they are going to make it stick.

I see this as people buying a gun but being refused Bullets!

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Is someone interpreting this ruling as a mandate to force all religions to marry gays? If not why bring it up?

Butch

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Hmmmm...37% of Republicans support gay marriage. I guess not all of us on the right are "haters".
24% on the left do NOT support gay marriage. "Haters" on the left...who could have imagined it?

Nowhere in this thread did I use the word "republican."
Nowhere in t his thread did I use the word "democrats."
Nowhere in this thread did I use the term "left wing."

I did use the term "right wing" once, which is an accurate, general, term to describe those christian fundamentalists (and other similarly assorted nut bags) who believe that the bible is literal (for fuck's sake), that gays are evil and that they should rule America in God's name. Obviously some Republicans are more right wing than others and some don't even qualify as right wing (just as some democrats don't qualify as left wing). That is obvious to anyone paying attention. Your own stats, presuming they are accurate, demonstrate that. So why did you presume I would think otherwise?

Why did you presume that under the term "haters" I include all republicans and excluded all of the left wing? Haters are haters. Left wing (I've not tuck for those SJW types), right wing, I don't give a shit. On this particular topic "haters" refers to anyone who would deny Gays their rights no matter what dumb ass excuse they come up with (most of which seems to be religious). It is you and others who seem to have inserted yourself underneath that word.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I barely read any of this- I have so many friends who can now get married- I can hardly wait to see it. I'm thrilled beyond words.
I'm so goddamn amazed that I lived to see it.

Now to legalize maryjane...

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ORIGINAL: DungeonDaddy67

Gays may now have "Marriage" But How many Churches do you really think are going to allow the wedding? Catholics have said NO, The Southern Baptist Church has said no way in the world!

Unless its something like Lutheran, or Unitarians or maybe some off brand religion. Most Christians, Jews, and Muslims are deeply Opposed to gay marriage. I don't see that they are going to make it stick.

I see this as people buying a gun but being refused Bullets!