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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:19:37 PM   
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Aren't the Jews considered to be 'christians' too??

I tend to think it wouldn't have mattered what the religion was, if it wasn't the right sort of Islamic, those poor victims would have been shot regardless.

You know as much about religions as you do about crime. Which is nothing.

Are you saying he would have killed a fellow Muslim??
I think not. Otherwise, why ask if the victims were christian if it had no relevance??

And I know as much about crime as you do. I can Google just as well as you, maybe even better.
And what's more, I quote the relevant figures, not something else that is quite irrelevant like you do.


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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:23:17 PM   
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We will have to disagree bama... you take on responsibility when you own a gun to keep it secure... I see little difference in a circumstance where a careless gun owner leaves a gun where a child can get it and kill themselves or another and a careless gun owner leaves a gun unsecured where it can be stolen and used to kill another... Dead is dead and if the gun owner were responsible enough to reasonably secure his weapon neither would be killed. So in both circumstances the owner and his careless is the principle cause of death.

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Butch,

The person who killed these people is not a child. We're not talking about some toddler who didn't know right from wrong. We're talking about a full grown man, who had every intention of harming other people.

When a full grown man commits a crime, that is who is responsible. Not anybody else. Not his mother. Not the gun manufacturer. Not the people trying to make a living because they manufacture bullets for a living. No matter how hard you try, you can't blame another person for what evil people do.



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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:29:52 PM   
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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:45:48 PM   
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A bartender, bar, or restaurant can be sued for a customer's drunk driving collision.

Not if the "customer" steals the liqure.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:46:37 PM   
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A bartender, bar, or restaurant can be sued for a customer's drunk driving collision.

True. It doesn't work well, though. There's a ton of criteria that you have to prove. It's why most of these cases fail.

* You have to prove that said server knew they were impaired.

* You have to prove that said server knew they were going to drive a car.

* You have to prove that said server provided all of the alcohol.

* You have to prove that said server knew they were no longer competent.

There's, what? Three convictions of this in the entire country? And, NONE of them are felonies. I'd be very appreciative to read of any case where we're talking about indirect manslaughter. If you've got links, I'd love to read about convictions like that.



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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 3:49:49 PM   
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Aren't the Jews considered to be 'christians' too??

I tend to think it wouldn't have mattered what the religion was, if it wasn't the right sort of Islamic, those poor victims would have been shot regardless.

You know as much about religions as you do about crime. Which is nothing.

Are you saying he would have killed a fellow Muslim??
I think not. Otherwise, why ask if the victims were christian if it had no relevance??

And I know as much about crime as you do. I can Google just as well as you, maybe even better.
And what's more, I quote the relevant figures, not something else that is quite irrelevant like you do.


He wasn't a Muslim, and since there were none there we don't know if he would have killed them and anyone who knows anything about religion knows that Judeism and Christianity are seperate religions.
Anyone can cherry pick stats which is what you do.
I have actual knowlege about crime.
Anyone who thinks it is better to be stabbed to death than shot to death is out of contact with reality.
You are a felon, I am not.


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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:21:38 PM   
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He wasn't a Muslim, and since there were none there we don't know if he would have killed them and anyone who knows anything about religion knows that Judeism and Christianity are seperate religions.

I know that. You know that.
Anyone who knows anything about religion would generally know that.
But if you asked Joe Average, they would say a Jew is a christian (of sorts).

So 'splain to me why the first victim (a Jew), said they were a christian and they got shot.
Did they not know their own religion and roots?? I think they did.
Those others that said they were a christian got shot.
Whether he was a Muslim or not, I don't think that is relevant otherwise the religios question wouldn't have mattered.

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Anyone who thinks it is better to be stabbed to death than shot to death is out of contact with reality.
You are a felon, I am not.

You can be shot at long range with gun and get killed easily.
You can't get stabbed at long range with a knife. Fucking huge difference!
And what the fuck has knives and stabbing got to do with this topic. Huh??
Misdirection again.

You have served time as a criminal and have a police record (your own admission) - I have not.
This isn't a personal war Bama, so don't try to make it one.

The topic is about guns and the regular gun massacres that occur in the US that don't occur elsewhere in the industrial world. Let's stick to the topic instead of muddying the waters with personal point-scoring.



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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:28:34 PM   
BamaD


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This isn't a personal war Bama, so don't try to make it one.


Now you have gone from absurdity to outright lies.
I have never said I served time as a criminal because I haven't.
If I had I wouldn't have been able to buy any guns because contrary to the propoganda of the gunaphobes we have background checks.
I couldn't have been in the Air Force, I couldn't have worked for the Sheriff's office. I don't know where you got this garbage but it is a lie.
You on the other hand have admitted to haveing a home made mace and to carrying it down the street to intimidate the thugs in your area. Where do you come up with this stuff.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:31:44 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		if you asked Joe Average, they would say a Jew is a christian (of sorts).


Maybe in jolly old England.
But I have never met an American that ignorant.
And you didn't say Joe Average would consider them Christian you said they were Christian. Now whos trying to weasle out of something.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:31:59 PM   
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It is a socialtal difference, like Mexico has tougher gun laws than you do and far more crime than we do.

Not according to the link I gave you.




Do you really think it is safer in Mexico than the U S?

According to the link provided mexico is even safer than canada.

I am pointing out that the difference is sociatal,

You are pointing out your ignorance and nothing else.



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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:33:21 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Whether he was a Muslim or not, I don't think that is relevant otherwise the religios question wouldn't have mattered.


It was you, not I who implyed he was Muslim.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:34:33 PM   
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Maybe in jolly old England.
But I have never met an American that ignorant.


Golly you never heard of the judeo-christian ethic?
You been liven in a cave cuz???


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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:38:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I still don't think the religious question was as important as the need for the nutjob to have something creepy to say.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:38:37 PM   
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Your delusion is showing again. You do not have the authority to make that you don't like off limits.
I don't think crime rates, or murder rates, or murder rates with guns have anything to do with our situation.
In this country every time a place has banned guns crime has skyrocketed, every time they have passed ccw laws it has dropped.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:40:29 PM   
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By someone with easy access to a firearm apparently.



Self defense free zone for sure. And we don't know how he got his weapon so you might want to hold off on blaming gun laws.


FFS it isnt difficult to educate youraself and maybe get your facts correct once in a while.

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/umpqua_community_college_not_a.html

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:41:16 PM   
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It is a socialtal difference, like Mexico has tougher gun laws than you do and far more crime than we do.

Not according to the link I gave you.




Do you really think it is safer in Mexico than the U S?

According to the link provided mexico is even safer than canada.

I am pointing out that the difference is sociatal,

You are pointing out your ignorance and nothing else.




Clearly whoever you linked to is an idiot.
Don't you remember that Hillery and Obama tried to blame the astronomical crime rate on our gun laws then ran fast and furious to see to it they had plenty of weapons.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:41:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The country is run by crime cartels, anyone who says that doesn't mean more crime and violence than we have just isn't paying attention

Your opinion about this is about as useful as second hand shit paper. The facts are presented to you...if you think they are wrong then perhaps you might bring us something more substantial than your opinion to contradict them.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:43:07 PM   
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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:43:37 PM   
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The FBI is not going to end it's investigation of the e-mail scandal because of this.


I did not suggest they would.

The mainstream media, will however, completely ignore the Mideast and the email scandal for about the next week and focus on the college shooting. The hope, of course, is that people forget about the other two.


Such a crass comment. The US has had nigh on 1000 incidents like this, 4 or more deaths, since Obama won his second term and you worry about an email scandal.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/3/2015 4:44:02 PM   
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I still don't think the religious question was as important as the need for the nutjob to have something creepy to say.

Will you say the same thing about the Charleston shooter, or due we only discount things said about people you don't like.

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