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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:04:01 PM   
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I am a strong believer that those who wish to relocate themselves to another country should fully integrate into the society they have chosen to live in.
That means adopting the local customs, accepting the food, the dress code, attitude etc etc.
By all means allow them the freedom to practice their religion in private as long as it is within the legalities of the land they have settled in.

Wow!

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:14:50 PM   
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what utter bollocks...
you arent the fucking borg
You might believe in it but its totally dumb.
As an immigrant, it makes me laugh. Exactly because when you immigrate you do NOT give away your "heritage"
As a Brit, it makes me vomit.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:43:17 PM   
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Le Monde points out that no French law bans the wearing of full-body swimsuits. "The law on the full-face veil only bans covering the face in public... The burkini, which covers the body but does not hide the face, is thus a totally legal garment."



This is a local ordinance that was passed specifically for Cannes, not the country. Ir specifically references burkinis. It was passed July 28 and expires at the end of August, which is when their tourist season ends.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:50:33 PM   
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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:54:26 PM   
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After what happened in Nice...I can understand the economic issues they are having!!! Come to cannes but fear the muslim, doesnt play well?

I read where a nearby town has also banned it, citing 'hygienic' issues, that and that it was 'unwelcome'. Some group has petitioned whatever TPTB that you complain about these kinds of things to, but TPTB refused to nix the ordinance, saying it was within the French constitution.

I tried to get the link for this, but the page kept freezing on me. It was from www.france24.com.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 12:58:40 PM   
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Cannes bans full body burkini at beaches

All I can say to the horrified Muslim women, no worries. You can still wear a full body diving wet suit. And then a swimming cap.

There ya go!

Funny thing is I actually wear that at a beach when I go snorkel as it's better than putting sunblock. To prevent burns.

So how much weight do you carry?


Why is this question relevant to the topic???


For the non skin/scuba divers it has to do with what is called neutral bouyancy. The wet suit, depending on it's thickness, adds bouyancy to you and must be compensated for by use of a weight belt. Without it you cannot leave the surface.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 1:07:17 PM   
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Thompson has a hard on for Greta but being a child he thinks being mean is the way to get her attention.


Please pay attention you moronic little twit.
I point out your, gretta's and any other moron's lies that I spot.
If you had a brain you would take it out and play with it.
If you knew squat about snorkling, wet suits or singapore you would understad the question.
Water temprature in singapore is between 86-and 90 degrees wearing a wet suit in water that warm could lead to heat stroke.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 1:08:35 PM   
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Bring yourself to your new destination but leave the trappings of what used to be back where you came from.
In other words, learn to fully integrate into the new society and not rebuild the old regime you left behind.

Over the centuries, many folks, my own ancestors among them, immigrated to the U.S., which long saw itself as a white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant country. Should Jews have refrained from building synagogues and yeshivas? Catholics from creating cathedrals and parochial schools?

Not at all dc; that isn't the argument here.
They are free to practice their religion - both here and over there and in most western countries.

But, there are certain things that are expected in our society.
Certain dress codes and behaviour are just an example of such.
Imagine some of the African or South American tribespeople wanting to settle in the west?




Do you think they would be allowed to wear what they normally would back in their homelands??
I bet they'd soon be arrested for not adhering to western dress code.
After all, it's an intrinsic part of their culture and their 'religion'; so why can't they follow that under the freedom of religion that is inherent in our laws??
Quite simply because it transgresses our societal norms and expectations.

The same applies to Islamists, or at least it should do.
And yes, I'm picking on them because they are conveniently the most common peoples that transgress our laws and expectations and expect us to change to their ways rather than them fully integrate into our western society.
They have extreme rules on 'heresay' and 'blasphemy' that invoke the death penalty - we don't.
They have zero tolerance for anything in the LGBT group that also invokes the death penalty - we don't.
They frequently scorn our societal norms when it comes to western dress codes (particularly for women) when their dress code is equally abhorent for many western people.
They believe in honour killings when it is illegal in western societies.
These are just some examples of where Islam just doesn't fit with western values.
And instead of integrating into western ways, they want us to accommodate them and accept their ideology into our society.

Religious freedom only goes so far.
Islamists want to stretch it beyond what we have so they don't have to adapt so much.
That is the point Greta is making here in her OP.
With all the crazy and weird fashoins that we have in the western world, none of them force our women to be fully covered; yet they demand that of their women.
I admit that most of us view women's dress code and women's freedoms through an ethnocentric Western-biased lens. But we are 'the west' are we not??
And we would expect such freedom of women's (and other groups') rights to be followed.

An article from The Daily Mail hilighted the problem with Islam in France (the point that Greta was making in her OP) -
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ORIGINAL: Daily Mail
Islamophobia has spiralled in France following the shootings at the Parisian offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, in January.

A poll by the Le Monde newspaper four years ago found that Islam is considered a ‘threat’ by many French and Germans to their national identity.

The poll of 1,600 people in both countries found that Muslims have ‘not integrated properly’.

Le Monde ran the results under a headline which brands efforts to get different religious communities to live side by side as a ‘failure’.

France, with 7million, and Germany, 4.3million, have the largest Muslim communities in Europe. There are around 2.4million in Britain.

In 2010 Germany’s Angela Merkel conceded that her country’s multicultural society had ‘failed’ while a number of French politicians have complained about the growing influence of radical Islam.

According to the Le Monde poll, carried out with marketing firm IFOP, 68 per cent of French and 75 per cent of Germans believe Muslims are ‘not well integrated into society’.

Others – 55 per cent in France and 49 per cent in Germany – said they believed the ‘influence and visibility of Islam’ was ‘too large’, while 60 per cent in both countries said the reason for the problem is Muslims’ own ‘refusal’ to integrate.

Just as crucially, 42 per cent of French and 40 per cent of Germans consider the presence of Islamic communities ‘a threat’ to their national identities.


And it isn't just Islam; there are other groups.
But generally speaking, most of those other groups try to fit in.
The Islamists don't like it, they criticize it, they make a noise about it, and they still insist on their wacky ideology even when it goes against 'western' values.
It's not the point of a particular garment or mode of dress; it's the 'not integrating' being objected to.
I applaud the fact that France is making a stand against an anti-west group of people and standing up for their own national values.


And for Lucy, you don't '...give away your heritage' at all, or your religion.
But you should try to integrate into the local society - it is expected of you no matter where you go.
Islamic countries force you to do so with their laws which are rigorously enforced.


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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 1:10:30 PM   
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You are aware that the Europeans came to these places as invaders, not refugees?


Is that what the history channel told you? Is that what your lady phd history teacher told you?
The history books do not speak of soldiers on the mayflower.
Why do you think the puritans were invaders? Why do you think roger williams was an invader? The history books tend to indicate that they were refugees from religious persecution.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 1:36:45 PM   
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Not at all dc; that isn't the argument here.
They are free to practice their religion - both here and over there and in most western countries.

But, there are certain things that are expected in our society.
Certain dress codes and behaviour are just an example of such.

Here we have clothing optional beaches.



Imagine some of the African or South American tribespeople wanting to settle in the west?




Do you think they would be allowed to wear what they normally would back in their homelands??

Do you think they dress like that when they go to town?
Do you think they would dress like that when there was a foot of snow on the ground?
I think you are picking fly shit out of pepper.


I bet they'd soon be arrested for not adhering to western dress code.


We allow mumus and sandex


After all, it's an intrinsic part of their culture and their 'religion'; so why can't they follow that under the freedom of religion that is inherent in our laws??


Going nake(the present tense of naked) is not a religious practice so why are you making such an absurd claim?

Quite simply because it transgresses our societal norms and expectations.

You do not get out much. I can see almost that much bare skin at any dance club or beach in amerika.

The same applies to Islamists, or at least it should do.
And yes, I'm picking on them because they are conveniently the most common peoples that transgress our laws and expectations and expect us to change to their ways rather than them fully integrate into our western society.


What laws have they asked you to change?


They have extreme rules on 'heresay' and 'blasphemy' that invoke the death penalty - we don't.


Perhaps you should get your bible out and rethink that.

They have zero tolerance for anything in the LGBT group that also invokes the death penalty - we don't.


Mathew shepard was murdered because he was gay.


They frequently scorn our societal norms when it comes to western dress codes (particularly for women) when their dress code is equally abhorent for many western people.


Why do you care what a woman you are not married to wears in public?
Why is that your business?



They believe in honour killings when it is illegal in western societies.


Honor killings happen all the time in western societies. Here in the states we have some rather famous ones like the hatfields and the coys, protestant catholic range wars, lynching of blacks by whites for real or imagined honor crimes. Not so very different from the mafia or the hells angels.

These are just some examples of where Islam just doesn't fit with western values.


Not until you validate the issues I have listed.

And instead of integrating into western ways, they want us to accommodate them and accept their ideology into our society.

How so?

Religious freedom only goes so far.
Islamists want to stretch it beyond what we have so they don't have to adapt so much.
That is the point Greta is making here in her OP.


Greta has never made any point other than his hatred for islam. Yes I said his. Greta is sanity. Sanity got his ass booted off of here for trying to game the system so he has his socks. Who else besides sanity has this big a hard on for islam? When did greta start her anti islamic rants, before or after sanity got the heave ho?

With all the crazy and weird fashoins that we have in the western world, none of them force our women to be fully covered; yet they demand that of their women.

Isnt that their business and not yours?


I admit that most of us view women's dress code and women's freedoms through an ethnocentric Western-biased lens. But we are 'the west' are we not??


Perhaps you might tell us just when women got the franchise in the west?


And we would expect such freedom of women's (and other groups') rights to be followed.

Do catholic women have a different dress code than jewsh women?

An article from The Daily Mail hilighted the problem with Islam in France (the point that Greta was making in her OP) -

ORIGINAL: Daily Mail
Islamophobia has spiralled in France following the shootings at the Parisian offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, in January.

A poll by the Le Monde newspaper four years ago found that Islam is considered a ‘threat’ by many French and Germans to their national identity.

The poll of 1,600 people in both countries found that Muslims have ‘not integrated properly’.

France and germany have about a hundred million people between them and you have your underware in a bunch over 1600 racist?

Islamic countries force you to do so with their laws which are rigorously enforced.


Actually they do not. If you wish to live as a non muslim in a muslim country you simply pay a tax.
There is also the thought that if you don't like it don't move there.

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 1:55:21 PM   
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But, there are certain things that are expected in our society.
Certain dress codes and behaviour are just an example of such.

I understand community concerns about modesty.

But you seem to be supporting a law that requires women to dress immodestly, at least as they see it.

On American beaches, the usual "dress code" for men is simply a bathing suit. Does that mean my T-shirts, which also stem from modesty concerns, should be illegal?

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RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 2:38:22 PM   
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Not at all dc; that isn't the argument here.
They are free to practice their religion - both here and over there and in most western countries.

But, there are certain things that are expected in our society.
Certain dress codes and behaviour are just an example of such.

Here we have clothing optional beaches.

As do we here.
But they are specially designated places.
Nudity isn't normally allowed in other public places - you get arrested.

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Do you think they dress like that when they go to town?
Do you think they would dress like that when there was a foot of snow on the ground?
I think you are picking fly shit out of pepper.

Where they live, yes they DO go like that 'into town' (or more like, the next village).
And where they are situated, they don't have snow.


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We allow mumus and sandex

They aren't so much different to a standard beach dress.

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Going nake(the present tense of naked) is not a religious practice so why are you making such an absurd claim?

Where they are, it is part of their culture and quite 'normal' to be (un)dressed like that.
It is not something western countries usually allow in public places.

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You do not get out much. I can see almost that much bare skin at any dance club or beach in amerika.

Maybe so.
But you wouldn't normally see that sort of thing in the middle of NYC or any other major place.

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The same applies to Islamists, or at least it should do.
And yes, I'm picking on them because they are conveniently the most common peoples that transgress our laws and expectations and expect us to change to their ways rather than them fully integrate into our western society.

What laws have they asked you to change?

  • That they allow Sharia law in its entirety as part of our legal system.
  • That it be legal to beat their women if they are displeased with something they have done.
  • That their blasphemy laws be integrated into ours.
  • To allow and respect 'honour killings'.
  • To restrict women to the home with no right to education.
  • To ban our western style of dress and to adhere to their 'cover up' rules.
  • To have total control over their women as they do in Islamic countries.
  • To put religion above the law of the land; religion first, law second.
    And that's just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

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    They have extreme rules on 'heresay' and 'blasphemy' that invoke the death penalty - we don't.
    Perhaps you should get your bible out and rethink that.

    We don't, as a society, invoke the death penalty for blasphemy - not here or in the US or anywhere else in the west that I know of.

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    They have zero tolerance for anything in the LGBT group that also invokes the death penalty - we don't.
    Mathew shepard was murdered because he was gay.

    By an equally nutty bunch of rednecks.
    We don't have that as part of our laws.
    Different kettle of fish.
    Picking out an unlawful incident and extrapolating that to the judiciary is ridiculous.

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    They frequently scorn our societal norms when it comes to western dress codes (particularly for women) when their dress code is equally abhorent for many western people.
    Why do you care what a woman you are not married to wears in public?
    Why is that your business?

    It isn't and I don't.
    But, like some politicians have said - it isn't part of our societal norms.
    Why should they, the foreigners in the country, start to dictate what our own citizens should wear just because they don't accept that in their religion?

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    They believe in honour killings when it is illegal in western societies.
    Honor killings happen all the time in western societies. Here in the states we have some rather famous ones like the hatfields and the coys, protestant catholic range wars, lynching of blacks by whites for real or imagined honor crimes. Not so very different from the mafia or the hells angels.

    Again, odd unlawful incidents.
    We don't have (as a society in general), the universal thought that honour killings should be allowed by law.

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    These are just some examples of where Islam just doesn't fit with western values.
    Not until you validate the issues I have listed.

    Done.

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    And instead of integrating into western ways, they want us to accommodate them and accept their ideology into our society.
    How so?

    Covered above and in previous posts.

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    Religious freedom only goes so far.
    Islamists want to stretch it beyond what we have so they don't have to adapt so much.
    That is the point Greta is making here in her OP.


    Greta has never made any point other than his hatred for islam. Yes I said his. Greta is sanity. Sanity got his ass booted off of here for trying to game the system so he has his socks. Who else besides sanity has this big a hard on for islam? When did greta start her anti islamic rants, before or after sanity got the heave ho?

    I believe Greta was showing her hatred before sanity got booted.
    And the style is completey different.
    I do not believe they are one and the same person.


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    With all the crazy and weird fashoins that we have in the western world, none of them force our women to be fully covered; yet they demand that of their women.

    Isnt that their business and not yours?

    When they are passing comments that our women should be like theirs, yes, that makes it my business.
    When Islamics tell my wife she should not smoke in public because 'women aren't allowed to do that' - that makes it my business.
    They are trying to surplant their ideology onto our society.
    That should be everyone's business.
    Unless, of course, you happen to want to be overrun and become an Islamic state or be forced to follow Islamic laws instead of the freedoms you and your fellow Americans enjoy?


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    I admit that most of us view women's dress code and women's freedoms through an ethnocentric Western-biased lens. But we are 'the west' are we not??

    Perhaps you might tell us just when women got the franchise in the west?

    When our societal laws gave women the same freedoms that us guys have.
    They haven't done that in Islam.

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    And we would expect such freedom of women's (and other groups') rights to be followed.

    Do catholic women have a different dress code than jewsh women?

    I dunno. I think in some very pious gatherings, that may be the case.
    But either way, we allow them the freedom of choice; Islam doesn't.

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    An article from The Daily Mail hilighted the problem with Islam in France (the point that Greta was making in her OP) -

    ORIGINAL: Daily Mail
    Islamophobia has spiralled in France following the shootings at the Parisian offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, in January.

    A poll by the Le Monde newspaper four years ago found that Islam is considered a ‘threat’ by many French and Germans to their national identity.

    The poll of 1,600 people in both countries found that Muslims have ‘not integrated properly’.

    France and germany have about a hundred million people between them and you have your underware in a bunch over 1600 racist?

    Islamic countries force you to do so with their laws which are rigorously enforced.


    Actually they do not. If you wish to live as a non muslim in a muslim country you simply pay a tax.
    There is also the thought that if you don't like it don't move there.


    You really believe that?? Honestly??
    So I can pay a tax and drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia? I think not!!
    In fact, I know that is not the case. Get caught drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia you get jailed or deported (or both).

    And as for the "don't move there" argument, that is exactly my point.
    If you don't like the place you've chosen to live, or the laws, or the customs or whatever - don't go there.

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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 2:45:48 PM   
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    But, there are certain things that are expected in our society.
    Certain dress codes and behaviour are just an example of such.

    I understand community concerns about modesty.

    But you seem to be supporting a law that requires women to dress immodestly, at least as they see it.

    On American beaches, the usual "dress code" for men is simply a bathing suit. Does that mean my T-shirts, which also stem from modesty concerns, should be illegal?

    Not at all dc.
    I don't suport a law that enforces immodesty as you put it.
    You wear a T-shirt which is quite acceptable western garb.

    But it is quite a different matter when the menfolk insist (with punishment of beating and even death by their beliefs) that their womenfolk cover up completely.
    The crux of the problem is, it is 'as they see it' by their less than liberal standards compared to the 'usual' standards that we in the west accept as being normal.

    ETA: The French and Germans in particular happen to be very proud of their liberal views and see Islamic dress codes enforced by males as being a sign of repression.



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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 2:48:47 PM   
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    What laws have they asked you to change?

    That they allow Sharia law in its entirety as part of our legal system.

    That it be legal to beat their women if they are displeased with something they have done.

    That their blasphemy laws be integrated into ours.

    To allow and respect 'honour killings'.

    To restrict women to the home with no right to education.

    To ban our western style of dress and to adhere to their 'cover up' rules.

    To have total control over their women as they do in Islamic countries.

    To put religion above the law of the land; religion first, law second.
    And that's just a few I can think of off the top of my head.




    Have you got a link for this or is this your opinion?

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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 2:56:27 PM   
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    It's not my opinion but several (read that as many) news items that have been broadcast on various media outlets.
    It has also been aired on French TV when they've had clashes between French citizens and other French Muslims.
    Some of it is based on actual personal testimony from my local Muslims here and also where I used to live.

    Maybe American news is so biased that this sort of stuff doesn't make it to the viewing public; but it's been here on the BBC and other news media broadcasts.

    See parts of my post#32 where we (personally) have been subjected to insults and moronic comments for not following Islamic rules.


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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 3:02:27 PM   
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    Not at all dc.
    I don't suport a law that enforces immodesty as you put it.

    You are missing the point. The moslems think that dressing in a butt floss bikini/any bathing suit that shows skin is indecent and you would force them to dress like that if they wanted to use western beaches.


    You wear a T-shirt which is quite acceptable western garb.

    But a black t-shirt that went from neck to toe would not?

    But it is quite a different matter when the menfolk insist (with punishment of beating and even death by their beliefs) that their womenfolk cover up completely.
    The crux of the problem is, it is 'as they see it' by their less than liberal standards compared to the 'usual' standards that we in the west accept as being normal.

    If the number of battered womens shelters is any indication westerners beat their wives and s/o on a pretty significant bassis. Have you thought of comparing your battering rates to theirs?
    There is a fellow in town from over there who beat the hell out of his wife for what ever reason. For his first offense he got two years. Now because he is a solid businessman with strong ties to the community and a middle class tax payer he was allowed to do his time on weekends. He also spent about 10k on court ordered counseling and a promise from the judge that if he ever put his hands on his wife again he was going to state prison for 10 years.
    That was back in 92...he was a quick study and has yet to put his hands on his wife in anger. It is not dna it is ignorance. Once it is explained most folks get it.


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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 3:15:13 PM   
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    There is not a single link I can cite.


    Thanks...that is what I thought.


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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 3:18:34 PM   
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    Not at all dc.
    I don't suport a law that enforces immodesty as you put it.

    You are missing the point. The moslems think that dressing in a butt floss bikini/any bathing suit that shows skin is indecent and you would force them to dress like that if they wanted to use western beaches.

    If they want to live in the west, why should that not be a reasonable thing to expect??
    It's part of our customs and society.
    I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to fit in.
    If they don't like it, don't go to the beach.


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    You wear a T-shirt which is quite acceptable western garb.

    But a black t-shirt that went from neck to toe would not?

    If there was a choice in it, then fair enough.
    The fact is, their menfolk forbid it - that's the difference.

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    But it is quite a different matter when the menfolk insist (with punishment of beating and even death by their beliefs) that their womenfolk cover up completely.
    The crux of the problem is, it is 'as they see it' by their less than liberal standards compared to the 'usual' standards that we in the west accept as being normal.

    If the number of battered womens shelters is any indication westerners beat their wives and s/o on a pretty significant bassis. Have you thought of comparing your battering rates to theirs?
    There is a fellow in town from over there who beat the hell out of his wife for what ever reason. For his first offense he got two years. Now because he is a solid businessman with strong ties to the community and a middle class tax payer he was allowed to do his time on weekends. He also spent about 10k on court ordered counseling and a promise from the judge that if he ever put his hands on his wife again he was going to state prison for 10 years.
    That was back in 92...he was a quick study and has yet to put his hands on his wife in anger. It is not dna it is ignorance. Once it is explained most folks get it.

    And there you go again - comparing unlawful incidents with what in their religion is brutally enforced.

    Yes, we have women's shelters here too.
    They are there because there are a large number of redneck asshats that believe in mistreating women.
    The difference is, it is not part of our judicial or social structure to have those beatings as part of normal life and be legal; Islam does.

    Given the same situation, under our laws, the guy gets hauled into court and usually punished.
    Under Islamic laws, that abysmal behaviour is not only expected but encouraged. In many cases, the women would get a further punishment for disobedience.

    It's a completely different ball of wax.
    Or can't you see that??
    Or perhaps, like many westerners, they don't get to see what really happens behind closed doors inside a Muslim household.


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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 3:20:24 PM   
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    There is not a single link I can cite.


    Thanks...that is what I thought.



    And you completely disregard other news sources AND my personal and -in-your-face experiences.

    Got your blinders firmly fixed??
    I thought so.


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    RE: Go France - 8/13/2016 3:23:33 PM   
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    You really believe that?? Honestly??
    So I can pay a tax and drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia? I think not!!
    In fact, I know that is not the case. Get caught drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia you get jailed or deported (or both).

    Actually you declare yourself to be addicted to alcohol. Sign the affidavit with your doctor and pay a tax.
    You may then drink in your quarters as much as you choose.
    Public drukeness is a crime there just as it is here.

    And as for the "don't move there" argument, that is exactly my point.
    If you don't like the place you've chosen to live, or the laws, or the customs or whatever - don't go there.

    Laws yes cutoms and whatever not so much.




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