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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:44:15 PM

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Just because you have a treaty with a country, doesn't mean you have to like them, like their way of life, or go and live with them, surely ?

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:46:15 PM

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No but personally i have a lot of friends from S. Korea and i don't think they should be dealing with this guy. I'd like to see that situation resolved.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:50:56 PM

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They need to get rid of a bunch of things and get some new things.
It's pretty hard to take them seriously when their adherents need *CRAYONS* and *TEDDY BEARS* because Trump won!
"Oh, and send in some TAMPONS too."
First thing they need to get rid of is that "political correctness" that only they took seriously. That's like an argument from a petulant child about why he/she doesn't want to clean their room.
It's like they were waving flags at everyone but no-one cared,... or noticed.
Can YOU think of some things that we can suggest to them to help them grow up?
The days of the temper tantrum are rapidly coming to an end.

Reinstate the draft.

My experience was that I could not get a job after high school graduation because I was slated for the draft. Fortunately, they did not get to me until the war had ended, but I still had to go for two years.

During Vietnam, University students were exempt. The burden of 58,000 dead and 200,000 wounded fell upon working class whites and blacks, many of whom turned to heroin to shut out their experiences in the rice patties.

The 1863 draft allowed the rich to purchase the service of the poor to go off in their place. The Irish in NYC were so pissed they rioted for three days and murdered a bunch of freed blacks, and burned an orphanage, I think. Federal gunboats were dispatched into the Hudson River.

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But i think it would be good for these kids to at least have to be in the National Guard for 2 years after high school. They really need something like that.

Or we might enlist them into Community College on a voluntary basis.

Give the Generals ordinance and cannon fodder (troops) they will find a war.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:51:10 PM

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So if you didn't know anybody in S.Korea, everything would be fine ? The americans could pull out of their bases there and let S.Korea get on with it and you would have no problems with it ? Maybe THEY (S.Korea) could make friends with N.Korea ? If not, maybe another country would fall to an adversary with more military muscle ? Kinda like South Vietnam ?

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:54:04 PM

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And yes tamaka, the kids MIGHT need that military discipline and experience. Does the military need them though ? Some would be good. Some would be bad. Some would be time-servers. Some would be totally useless. Surely your military deserves better than that ?

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:57:03 PM

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So if you didn't know anybody in S.Korea, everything would be fine ? The americans could pull out of their bases there and let S.Korea get on with it and you would have no problems with it ? Maybe THEY (S.Korea) could make friends with N.Korea ? If not, maybe another country would fall to an adversary with more military muscle ? Kinda like South Vietnam ?

No... it wouldn't be fine but i probably personally wouldn't care as much. How would you suggest that S. Korea make friends with him. He killed his own uncle.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 8:58:34 PM

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So the fact that he doesn't salute is really neither right, nor wrong ? It's his choice to follow the older ruling of not saluting when not in uniform or when never having been in the military ?

I don't think there's been centuries of precedent. He is the Commander in Chief of the military and therefore all military people should salute him. Technically, it's against military custom for a civilian to salute. So the president has his choice of custom. Yet, the American people have always seen the presidents salute returned to active military as a sign of respect for what they do for him.

Kennedy and Johnson thought the Joint Chiefs were either "sons of bitches" or "motherfuckers" in that order. I doubt they saluted.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:01:42 PM

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And yes tamaka, the kids MIGHT need that military discipline and experience. Does the military need them though ? Some would be good. Some would be bad. Some would be time-servers. Some would be totally useless. Surely your military deserves better than that ?

I think the military probably has ways of making you not want to be useless. I am sure there can be some 'Motivation to Succeed' employed. As a teacher and a manager, even i can do that.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:08:25 PM

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So ? He killed his uncle ? So what ? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the U.S. or anybody outside North Korea. Or is this another time when America has to stick it's nose into somebody else's internal business ? According to the news that came out of Korea, his uncle was a traitor to the regime. Have you heard different ? Why do you disbelieve HIS news and not news coming from other countries ( like the U.S.) ?Personally I wouldn't give a shit if he topped his whole family. I would cheerfully have topped my older brother and laughed all the way to the pub.

How does America make friends with him ? How does any country make friends with another country ? Approach them with open hands and an offer of friendship with no strings attached. Raise any embargoes presently imposed on the country might be a GREAT way to start.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:13:18 PM

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I may be in the minority among leftists here, but I can't see much harm in mandatory military service, and in fact think it would be extremely beneficial.

Actually making it a requirement for citizenship seems incredibly fascist, but I've lived abroad in countries where it happens-- Denmark has conscription (not enforced) and their society is probably the best I've ever experienced. South Korea has it and it can help to build connections that will serve you in your future career. It also helps to build a sense of comradery, and if they could throw a free college education in alongside it I think it would be a huge benefit to society as a whole.

I mean, there's a difference between military training and actually going to a foreign land to kill people so that rich industrialists can make even more money. Trump's presidency should be a huge wake-up call to the left-- fascism CAN happen here and military training could definitely come in handy should his presidency prove to be the worst case scenario or should it open the door to even more extreme candidates in the future.

Adults should NOT be making the release of the next superhero movie, toy collections or other regressions the focus of their lives-- that's exactly the kind of thing that the predators want. People need to be strong if they're going to stand up to people like Trump and steer society in the right direction... and while there are many kinds of strength, if all you know is running and hiding or distracting yourself with easy comforts, you're never going to be able to do what's right.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:15:56 PM

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So ? He killed his uncle ? So what ? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the U.S. or anybody outside North Korea. Or is this another time when America has to stick it's nose into somebody else's internal business ? According to the news that came out of Korea, his uncle was a traitor to the regime. Have you heard different ? Why do you disbelieve HIS news and not news coming from other countries ( like the U.S.) ?Personally I wouldn't give a shit if he topped his whole family. I would cheerfully have topped my older brother and laughed all the way to the pub.

How does America make friends with him ? How does any country make friends with another country ? Approach them with open hands and an offer of friendship with no strings attached. Raise any embargoes presently imposed on the country might be a GREAT way to start.

Okay... maybe I'll ask Trump if i can go talk to him. ; )

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:18:55 PM

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AHA !!! There we have it HeavyBlinker and yes, I agree with you. Have a draft or call-up if you will but draftees are not to serve on foreign soil (unless they volunteer to do so). That is to be left to the volunteers/regulars. Like Japan does. Send an unwilling draftee into a battle zone and all you end up with is a butchers bill.

It would instill discipline, a sense of self-worth, trust and being trusted and what we call 'mateship' in Australia or 'comaraderie' in France.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:20:50 PM

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AHA !!! There we have it HeavyBlinker and yes, I agree with you. Have a draft or call-up if you will but draftees are not to serve on foreign soil (unless they volunteer to do so). That is to be left to the volunteers/regulars. Like Japan does. Send an unwilling draftee into a battle zone and all you end up with is a butchers bill.

It would instill discipline, a sense of self-worth, trust and being trusted and what we call 'mateship' in Australia or 'comaraderie' in France.

My goodness... too bad we weren't world leaders. We can take care of everything! *smiles*

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:20:58 PM

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Maybe if Trump was to make friends with the other little fat bad-haircut guy, they would spend so much time laughing at each others haircuts, they would never have the time or energy to make war or do anything really dumb.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:21:58 PM

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Not me.................I have only ONE firm belief

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:23:28 PM

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Not me.................I have only ONE firm belief

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:24:01 PM

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I believe it's time for another beer.

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RE: The "Left." - 11/19/2016 9:24:45 PM

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Not me.................I have only ONE firm belief

???... well... that's one more than i have... lol
What is it?