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When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:08:28 AM   
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Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:12:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys

How dare you try to inject common sense into this argument?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:16:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys
Ah yes, but that would mean gender equality and if there's one thing which feminists are definitely not into, it's gender equality.

Which is why it's important to keep them out of political office.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:18:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys

How dare you try to inject common sense into this argument?



Well, this is a pet topic of mine. And I know that I have actually changed a couple of minds on the board about it. If you notice, there is seldom a call for males to get raped in prison as retribution for crimes. I am quite pleased that I have ben able to convince people that it is NOT okay. :) Unfortunately I do not think that another poster on here is helping my efforts at awareness of this issue.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:25:17 AM   
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It has nothing to do with gender equality.

Looking briefly at the article.

It looks like they are talking about men on men rape.

Men go through alot of shame being raped by another man.

Also, men are just not wired to talk about their feelings.

It's kinda weird because every woman wants a man to open up and talk about his feelings and be more nurturing towards him, but most men resist such things. They just don't want to talk about it and forget it.

Probably because, unlike women, talking about it does not help them.

The way we can help female victims by showering them with loads of TLC and smothering and sympathy, may not be the same solution to help a male victim.

I think men and woman respond to rape differently.

What needs to happen is more education on how to handle a male who has been through rape?

I mean honestly speaking, my own brother has been raped before, held down and penetrated by a woman much larger and stronger than him who was suppose to be his clean masseuse. And I didn't even know what to say. And he definitely didn't want to report it at all. He was just saying he can't believe he got so unlucky. Like he was telling me about it, but at the same time, if it was a woman, I would know what to say, but because his male, I can't go like, "Poor you! Cry all you want!" And smother him with lots of love and sympathy. He was acting so strong and brushing it aside. I was just more like, "Are you okay? If you need anything, just let me know, I am here." That's all I could say.

I mean with a woman, you would just let her talk and let her cry, and let her talk and talk. With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. It's like a whole different vibe.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:28:17 AM   
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Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.

Do you think there are sane people here who believe otherwise?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:30:52 AM   
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there is seldom a call for males to get raped in prison as retribution for crimes.

I would like males to be raped in prison for commiting rape or being pedophiles.

The other day, I read a news about this asshole, raping his step daughter, vaginally penetrating her from 3 yrs old until she is 13, when she broke down to her counsellor that her step father been raping her for soooo many years, but she can't tell her mom as her mom loves the step dad so much and she didn't want to break the family.

WTF! That guy deserves ass raped seriously! Eye for Eye. I believe in death penalty for murderers too, so why not rape for rapists?

Just the thought that a full grown man would consider vaginally penetrating a 3 yr old girl, makes me wanna kill him! And infact he should be annally fisted, because that would be the equivalent of an adult cock going into a 3 yr old.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:31:41 AM   
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It has nothing to do with gender equality.

Looking briefly at the article.

It looks like they are talking about men on men rape.

Men go through alot of shame being raped by another man.

Also, men are just not wired to talk about their feelings.

It's kinda weird because every woman wants a man to open up and talk about his feelings and be more nurturing towards him, but most men resist such things. They just don't want to talk about it and forget it.

Probably because, unlike women, talking about it does not help them.

The way we can help female victims by showering them with loads of TLC and smothering and sympathy, may not be the same solution to help a male victim.

I think men and woman respond to rape differently.

What needs to happen is more education on how to handle a male who has been through rape?

I mean honestly speaking, my own brother has been raped before, held down and penetrated by a woman much larger and stronger than him who was suppose to be his clean masseuse. And I didn't even know what to say. And he definitely didn't want to report it at all. He was just saying he can't believe he got so unlucky. Like he was telling me about it, but at the same time, if it was a woman, I would know what to say, but because his male, I can't go like, "Poor you!" And smother him with lots of love and sympathy. He was acting so strong and brushing it aside. I was just more like, "Are you okay? If you need anything, just let me know, I am here." That's all I could say.

I mean with a woman, you would just let her talk and let her cry, and let her talk and talk. With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. It's like a whole different vibe.


Wow. And here is the stigma of males reporting sexual violence against them. If it had been your sister you would have validated her. Since this was your brother, you kept silent.

I am not negatively evaluating you, I am just noting that this is the exact problem that the article discusses.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 9:33:01 AM   
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Wow. And here is the stigma of males reporting sexual violence against them. If it had been your sister you would have validated her. Since this was your brother, you kept silent.

I am not negatively evaluating you, I am just noting that this is the exact problem that the article discusses.

I think you miss the point. DO you honestly think my brother will feel better IF I treated him like a woman? Seriously? Would he have benefited from it?
And how have I kept silent? I told him I am there for him for anything he needs. But he needs to tell me what he needs, because he is NOT a woman! And I will deliver 101% whatever he needs.

And men do not process trauma like women. That's just scientifically correct.

Most men do not WANT to be treated like a woman. That is my experience with men.

I think men here should instead share with us WHAT they want woman to do when they found out they been anally raped by another male. Do tell us what we are suppose to do?

The not reporting rape part I believe is still a big problem faced by women, as they don't wanna go through being branded as a slut asking for it in courts by the opposition lawyers, which is still always happening to rape victims. Whereas any man who have been anally raped, I can't imagine opposition lawyers going like, "He was asking for it!, he didn't dress appropriately! He was too flirty!"

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 10:08:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
there is seldom a call for males to get raped in prison as retribution for crimes.

I would like males to be raped in prison for commiting rape or being pedophiles.

The other day, I read a news about this asshole, raping his step daughter, vaginally penetrating her from 3 yrs old until she is 13, when she broke down to her counsellor that her step father been raping her for soooo many years, but she can't tell her mom as her mom loves the step dad so much and she didn't want to break the family.

WTF! That guy deserves ass raped seriously! Eye for Eye. I believe in death penalty for murderers too, so why not rape for rapists?

Just the thought that a full grown man would consider vaginally penetrating a 3 yr old girl, makes me wanna kill him! And infact he should be annally fisted, because that would be the equivalent of an adult cock going into a 3 yr old.

^Totally agree. In fact, it's not enough, considering the child looks to the parents (whether birth parent or step) as PROTECTORS, so not only is their body violated, but also their ability to EVER place their trust in someone. In prison there won't be the factor of BETRAYAL by a loved one that the child experienced.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 10:08:20 AM   
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Yes, rape is rape. The gender of the victim or the perpetrator is irrelevant and ALL rapes should be prosecuted equally. Unfortunately, the societal stigma attached to being raped is magnitudes greater for men than for women. Basically, society sees women who are raped as either poor victims or sluts who asked for it, but men who are raped are seen as not really men, they are seen as lesser, somehow flawed, objects worthy of ridicule, and that totally sucks.

This is just one more example of how the patriarchal gender assumptions that still underlay our society harm men.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 10:12:27 AM   
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With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it.

Patriarchal gender assumptions harming men.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 10:44:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
How dare you try to inject common sense into this argument?


BamaD with a straw man right out of the gate.
I guess that liberals probably said that men can't be rape victims, right?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 10:59:38 AM   
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Ah yes, but that would mean gender equality and if there's one thing which feminists are definitely not into, it's gender equality.

Which is why it's important to keep them out of political office.


You are like the undisputed champion of being angry at things you don't understand.

Men who were raped are reluctant to come forward because of the same traditional gender roles that you aggressively defend, not because of feminists.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:01:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it.

Patriarchal gender assumptions harming men.

It certainly doesn't sound like a description of any of the right-leaning whining bitches in here...


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:11:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys

How dare you try to inject common sense into this argument?

This isn't the first time this subject has been brought up on the boards. And people are usually willing to talk about it sensibly, provided it isn't introduced by a certain poster who's manner of introducing it torpedoes the whole discussion before it even starts. Outside of that particular circumstance, people on here are generally open to discussing it.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:26:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

It has nothing to do with gender equality.

Looking briefly at the article.

It looks like they are talking about men on men rape.

Men go through alot of shame being raped by another man.

Also, men are just not wired to talk about their feelings.

It's kinda weird because every woman wants a man to open up and talk about his feelings and be more nurturing towards him, but most men resist such things. They just don't want to talk about it and forget it.

Probably because, unlike women, talking about it does not help them.

The way we can help female victims by showering them with loads of TLC and smothering and sympathy, may not be the same solution to help a male victim.

I think men and woman respond to rape differently.

What needs to happen is more education on how to handle a male who has been through rape?

I mean honestly speaking, my own brother has been raped before, held down and penetrated by a woman much larger and stronger than him who was suppose to be his clean masseuse. And I didn't even know what to say. And he definitely didn't want to report it at all. He was just saying he can't believe he got so unlucky. Like he was telling me about it, but at the same time, if it was a woman, I would know what to say, but because his male, I can't go like, "Poor you!" And smother him with lots of love and sympathy. He was acting so strong and brushing it aside. I was just more like, "Are you okay? If you need anything, just let me know, I am here." That's all I could say.

I mean with a woman, you would just let her talk and let her cry, and let her talk and talk. With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. It's like a whole different vibe.


Wow. And here is the stigma of males reporting sexual violence against them. If it had been your sister you would have validated her. Since this was your brother, you kept silent.

I am not negatively evaluating you, I am just noting that this is the exact problem that the article discusses.

I think her comments highlight some very specific issues that need to be addressed, and I wonder if they are. People who work with rape victims, their training is usually geared toward how female rape victims respond, or am I wrong about this? They are taught how to counsel victims, help them to cope, etc. based primarily on experiences with female victims? But male victims, while they are going to have a lot of the same feelings about the rape, may have very different ways of dealing with them and may have very different needs from others around him, in terms of dealing with them, because of the way society treats male victims vs. female victims (and not just society, but how the victims view themselves).

If a male victim came to me and told me that he had been raped, I would try and help him the same way I have helped female friends that have come to me and told me they had been raped. But the ways that I have helped the women, I can't see any of my male friends agreeing to that. Hospital, rape kits, talking to police, seeing counselors...all of that was hard enough for the females, and they are told that is what they are supposed to do.

Is their training geared specifically towards helping male victims? Is there a recognized medical opinion on whether or not males need a different approach than females?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:36:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Interesting article about sexual violence against males.

Rape is rape and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of the victims sex.


https://www.ictj.org/publication/sexual-violence-men-boys


Completely agree.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:39:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

It has nothing to do with gender equality.

Looking briefly at the article.

It looks like they are talking about men on men rape.

Men go through alot of shame being raped by another man.

Also, men are just not wired to talk about their feelings.

It's kinda weird because every woman wants a man to open up and talk about his feelings and be more nurturing towards him, but most men resist such things. They just don't want to talk about it and forget it.

Probably because, unlike women, talking about it does not help them.

The way we can help female victims by showering them with loads of TLC and smothering and sympathy, may not be the same solution to help a male victim.

I think men and woman respond to rape differently.

What needs to happen is more education on how to handle a male who has been through rape?

I mean honestly speaking, my own brother has been raped before, held down and penetrated by a woman much larger and stronger than him who was suppose to be his clean masseuse. And I didn't even know what to say. And he definitely didn't want to report it at all. He was just saying he can't believe he got so unlucky. Like he was telling me about it, but at the same time, if it was a woman, I would know what to say, but because his male, I can't go like, "Poor you!" And smother him with lots of love and sympathy. He was acting so strong and brushing it aside. I was just more like, "Are you okay? If you need anything, just let me know, I am here." That's all I could say.

I mean with a woman, you would just let her talk and let her cry, and let her talk and talk. With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. It's like a whole different vibe.


Wow. And here is the stigma of males reporting sexual violence against them. If it had been your sister you would have validated her. Since this was your brother, you kept silent.

I am not negatively evaluating you, I am just noting that this is the exact problem that the article discusses.

I think her comments highlight some very specific issues that need to be addressed, and I wonder if they are. People who work with rape victims, their training is usually geared toward how female rape victims respond, or am I wrong about this? They are taught how to counsel victims, help them to cope, etc. based primarily on experiences with female victims? But male victims, while they are going to have a lot of the same feelings about the rape, may have very different ways of dealing with them and may have very different needs from others around him, in terms of dealing with them, because of the way society treats male victims vs. female victims (and not just society, but how the victims view themselves).

If a male victim came to me and told me that he had been raped, I would try and help him the same way I have helped female friends that have come to me and told me they had been raped. But the ways that I have helped the women, I can't see any of my male friends agreeing to that. Hospital, rape kits, talking to police, seeing counselors...all of that was hard enough for the females, and they are told that is what they are supposed to do.

Is their training geared specifically towards helping male victims? Is there a recognized medical opinion on whether or not males need a different approach than females?


Perhaps someone should consult the Catholic church on how they deal with it.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 11:42:41 AM   
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They move the priest somewhere else and deny it ever happened.
Not a helpful approach for the victims, imo.

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