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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/13/2016 4:41:32 PM   
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you will have to ask a man who has been sexually violated if he does indeed feel that way, not me.

Problem being that men don't usually speak up about things like that, because they are told to 'act like a man', 'don't cry'. And that if they do these things, then yes, they are seen as women-like. And that culture perpetuates the problem. It (unintentionally) aids those who sexually violate males. And society knows this. But being seen as 'manly' seems to be more important.


I would say there are a variety of crimes that for at least a handful of reasons, the victims do not speak up.

meanwhile, some interesting, but disturbing reading:

http://www.gq.com/long-form/male-military-rape


Yes, this goes along with what men and women face in the workplace when they are given the 'choice' of sex or lose their job, position, etc. That is another issue that women have been fighting for decades.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/13/2016 7:00:03 PM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/13/2016 7:12:57 PM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?


I'm not sure what he is. Some days he's reasonable and some days not so. He is, I believe he said, a liberation theologist, a soviet construct. He would find solace in Reverend Wright's church. The seeds of hate that Obama eschewed in public. I wonder if he'd publicly declare?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/13/2016 8:24:29 PM   
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The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

That kind of depends on the jurisdiction, now doesn't it?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/13/2016 9:48:28 PM   
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I don't know how the law should be re-written. Maybe it needs to specifically say, all forms of forced penetration is rape, whether by fingers, foreign objects or penises, with the exception of, IF a male was forced to penetrate, then THAT is rape too.

And I seriously cannot imagine any objections anybody would have to that. I'm all for it !

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 12:23:16 AM   
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A very colorful metaphor, indeed!



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 12:51:34 AM   
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Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

From dictionary.com: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

Over here (and also probably in the US and many other western societies), the definition of 'consent' is defined as: Whether he or she was in a position to make that choice freely, and was not constrained in any way.
So the law is generic and not gender specific.

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I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet.

And YOU still cling to the falsehood that rape is still gendered!!


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 12:59:39 AM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?



I understand that the actual historical facts are inconvenient to you, but simply getting angry and making stuff up when confronted with them is unlikely to help your argument.

You're a poor educator Awareness. Lacking the maturity to actually do some research before making your baseless claims and accusing people of lying.

There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere, but your emotional attachment to your victimhood makes it impossible for you to confront that truth.



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 1:01:31 AM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?


I'm not sure what he is. Some days he's reasonable and some days not so. He is, I believe he said, a liberation theologist, a soviet construct. He would find solace in Reverend Wright's church. The seeds of hate that Obama eschewed in public. I wonder if he'd publicly declare?


I am happy to declare that I'm not a liberation theologist.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 3:06:25 AM   
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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere


It would be interesting if you can cite this and prove this. Feminists keep saying they help men too but they seem to have difficulty in actually citing and proving all of this.

I wonder why that is? Could it be that feminists do fuck all for men?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 3:07:14 AM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?



I understand that the actual historical facts are inconvenient to you, but simply getting angry and making stuff up when confronted with them is unlikely to help your argument.

You're a poor educator Awareness. Lacking the maturity to actually do some research before making your baseless claims and accusing people of lying.

There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere, but your emotional attachment to your victimhood makes it impossible for you to confront that truth.




awareless is simple. And simply a one-trick-asshole. And has only one agenda, - his version of right-wing politics.
We could be talking about what to put on a hot dog and he'd find SOME way of making it a politically partisan issue....and be a one bleat sheep in the process....like now.

I sometimes think he & rm are the same sad sock. But they are the same interchangeable name-calling "everyone else is the problem other than them" crankbaits, who seem to bring any otherwise remotely intelligent tread to a grinding halt.

When I talk to people off-line, I use them both as shining examples of what's wrong with politics & on-line discussion groups.....

"What a fucking coincidence, eh?"



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 3:08:39 AM   
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I'm glad that there are more women like this in the world who are honest about equality.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 5:34:42 AM   
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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere


It would be interesting if you can cite this and prove this. Feminists keep saying they help men too but they seem to have difficulty in actually citing and proving all of this.



Here's a starting point for you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3syhda/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/

Take it or leave it ... I've no time or energy right now to continue bashing my head against the brick wall of obdurate anti-feminism here. If you want to learn, you'll learn; if you don't, you won't.




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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 8:48:05 AM   
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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere


It would be interesting if you can cite this and prove this.


If I just spoon fed you the answers, I wouldn't be helping you.

There's this place on the internet called "the google".

Now, I've not given you a fish, I've given you a net.

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Feminists keep saying they help men too but they seem to have difficulty in actually citing and proving all of this.


No they don't. It is true that some whining little victims have difficulty in actually confronting the facts.



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I wonder why that is? Could it be that feminists do fuck all for men?


Well, if the weight of evidence were completely different, perhaps. In the mean time, I think we can put it down to sad little victims who are so hurty that they can't even do basic research, mkay?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 11:33:04 AM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?



I understand that the actual historical facts are inconvenient to you, but simply getting angry and making stuff up when confronted with them is unlikely to help your argument.
Are you just too stupid to see the irony here? You've made a false claim - a lie - and when called on it, you continue to try and repeat the lie. Goebbels would no doubt applaud you following his method, but I'm afraid I'm far more intelligent than the simpletons you clearly hang out with.

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You're a poor educator Awareness. Lacking the maturity to actually do some research before making your baseless claims and accusing people of lying.
You've no evidence to support your lie. This is because it is a lie.

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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere, but your emotional attachment to your victimhood makes it impossible for you to confront that truth.
Let's unpack this ludicrous little sentence. You've just compared discussion of male rape INSIDE feminist groups and OUTSIDE feminist groups and posited that they are roughly equivalent.

Basically, you've said absolutely nothing of substance and certainly nothing to support your lie. Christ, how on earth do you survive while managing to remain this stupid? It boggles the mind that you have the temerity to poke your head up from your little ostrich hole.


Essentially, when confronted with your lie, you engage in ad-hominem. If your lie was true, you could cite a reference to support your lie. Unfortunately, your claim is utterly false. No feminist organisation has campaigned to expand the definition of rape to remove gender distinctions. That is a lie. A lie you keep propagating because you're a feminist, and thus, a liar.

I don't think it's possible for you to understand the contempt your vague hand-waving attempts at ad hominem manage to inspire in a competent intelligence. You're basically what the literature refers to as "fucking incompetent". It's a mystery why you think you have anything relevant to say at all.




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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 11:36:37 AM   
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awareless is simple. And simply a one-trick-asshole. And has only one agenda, - his version of right-wing politics.
We could be talking about what to put on a hot dog and he'd find SOME way of making it a politically partisan issue....and be a one bleat sheep in the process....like now.

I sometimes think he & rm are the same sad sock. But they are the same interchangeable name-calling "everyone else is the problem other than them" crankbaits, who seem to bring any otherwise remotely intelligent tread to a grinding halt.

When I talk to people off-line, I use them both as shining examples of what's wrong with politics & on-line discussion groups.....

"What a fucking coincidence, eh?"


I cite this an example of how the ability to use words doesn't imply the ability to construct coherent sentences. Nor does it imply the ability to make cogent points. In fact, this entire post is an example of how you can put words together in ways which manage to make you sound like a utterly incompetent fucking child for whom words are too good. You should definitely have your words taken away from you - you clearly have no idea how to use them.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 11:39:17 AM   
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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere


It would be interesting if you can cite this and prove this. Feminists keep saying they help men too but they seem to have difficulty in actually citing and proving all of this.



Here's a starting point for you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3syhda/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/

Take it or leave it ... I've no time or energy right now to continue bashing my head against the brick wall of obdurate anti-feminism here. If you want to learn, you'll learn; if you don't, you won't.

I love this. An imaginary list of imaginary aid given to men which include such magnificent sacrifices such as telling feminists to drop the "neckbeard" insult they were using against men. Because altering their own shitty behaviour is somehow helpful to men.

Christ Peon, you're a delusional little fuckwit, you really are. I cannot imagine how you would possibly cope without a woman to shelter you from the harsh world. You really are incredibly fucking clueless about pretty much everything.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/14/2016 11:40:22 AM   
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Well, if the weight of evidence were completely different, perhaps. In the mean time, I think we can put it down to sad little victims who are so hurty that they can't even do basic research, mkay?
Ironic whiney feminist is ironic.



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/15/2016 2:09:10 AM   
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The same feminists that campaigned to remove the gender distinction from rape laws.

Fucking man haters

They did no such thing. They campaigned to EXPAND the definition of rape so that more men could be accused of rape.

Honestly, repeating the same old lie does NOT make it true. The definition of rape is STILL gendered as it STILL involves penetration.

I have educated you about this time and time again and STILL you cling to falsehood like a limpet. I ask in all honesty, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is feminism such a philosophically weak ideology that its adherents absolutely MUST spread lies?

You are a liar. And a feminist. What a fucking coincidence, eh?



I understand that the actual historical facts are inconvenient to you, but simply getting angry and making stuff up when confronted with them is unlikely to help your argument.
Are you just too stupid to see the irony here? You've made a false claim - a lie - and when called on it, you continue to try and repeat the lie. Goebbels would no doubt applaud you following his method, but I'm afraid I'm far more intelligent than the simpletons you clearly hang out with.

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You're a poor educator Awareness. Lacking the maturity to actually do some research before making your baseless claims and accusing people of lying.
You've no evidence to support your lie. This is because it is a lie.


There is ample evidence. All you need to do is google it. It will take you 30 seconds.

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There is as much, if not more, discussion of male rape within feminist groups as there is elsewhere, but your emotional attachment to your victimhood makes it impossible for you to confront that truth.
Let's unpack this ludicrous little sentence. You've just compared discussion of male rape INSIDE feminist groups and OUTSIDE feminist groups and posited that they are roughly equivalent.


I did not make a comparison of the discussion, I made a statement about the volume of discussion.

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Basically, you've said absolutely nothing of substance and certainly nothing to support your lie. Christ, how on earth do you survive while managing to remain this stupid? It boggles the mind that you have the temerity to poke your head up from your little ostrich hole.


Essentially, when confronted with your lie, you engage in ad-hominem.


Oh.. is the shouty pathetic little bully all hurty when someone chooses to use his own tactics against him?



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If your lie was true, you could cite a reference to support your lie. Unfortunately, your claim is utterly false. No feminist organisation has campaigned to expand the definition of rape to remove gender distinctions. That is a lie. A lie you keep propagating because you're a feminist, and thus, a liar.


Google is your friend here. I don't care enough about what you think to bother to cut and paste a dozen or so links.

But for the benefit of others, people who are rational, and have open minds, there's google.

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I don't think it's possible for you to understand the contempt your vague hand-waving attempts at ad hominem manage to inspire in a competent intelligence. You're basically what the literature refers to as "fucking incompetent". It's a mystery why you think you have anything relevant to say at all.





Bless you heart, I must have really made you hurty for you to go to all that trouble to squeeze so many ad-hominems into your post.

Have a suckle on your dada, you little baby.


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