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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 2:55:38 PM

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Tell me, rm, why is it that on a thread where one of your pet subjects is actually getting discussed, the only input that you are making is to diss other posters? You haven't made a single effort to actually engage any of the people that are discussing the specific problems. All you are doing is ridiculing others and shouting 'ooh feminism bad' like you always do. That's why no one takes you seriously.

So someone blaming this rape problem on something that isn't true to the subject isn't relevant to call out upon?

So we are supposed to just let the lie on this particular subject just slide?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 2:58:51 PM

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As much as the mens rights movement is as bad as the feminist movement, this is actually a very valid video.

Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle Pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ncjGFIFPJI

How many people in here know who Mary Koss is? She's a feminist of course. She pretty much doesn't define female on male as rape because it's not penetration.

rm, you are acting as if people are arguing against the OP. No one is arguing about this. Pretty much everyone is supporting the fact that society does not support males anywhere near enough when it comes to rape and that much more needs to be done.

Or is it that you don't really care, you just have had bad experiences with women so you use feminisn as an excuse to bitch about them?

Go away and let the adults talk.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 3:01:54 PM

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Someone might have forgotten about our allies in Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

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Termy, I agree that this is tragic. But I don't know what we can do about this. I don't know our men over there do it, I can't even imagine. But that's part of a much bigger picture that we have no influence upon at all. But we can influence others opinions over here, and how people handle things over here. But it is going to take some changes in attitudes, on the parts of men and women.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 3:10:05 PM

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Or is it that you don't really care, you just have had bad experiences with women so you use feminisn as an excuse to bitch about them?

For starters, someone else made this topic about feminism before me, shit titts

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No one is fucking saying this shit doesn't happen to men.
"Feminists don't want to acknowledge this!!"

Open your eyes. Any feminist who is worth a damn knows men get fucking raped, and cares about it too.

In my group therapy- I was the ONLY female.

I'm pretty fucking sure damn near every time this has been brought up myself and other "feminazis" on this board have agreed all rape is an issue. What we want is for people not to elect rapists. I mean- if you care about it so much- why give female victims this much shit? All the time?

Anyway, wayward, feminism has became a part of the topic when it comes to rape. Feminists are pretty much the mainstream prominent voice when it comes to the discussion of rape issues.

Feminism IS TO blame on the faulty belief that patriarchy is to blame for the social stigma on male victims. Feminism is also to blame for why male victims get less considered as feminists campaigns show little to no consideration towards male victims and make it mostly about female victims. What protest and voice about rape only gets heard in mainstream media? When it comes from feminists, which is very unfortunate because it will always be a one sided discussion.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 3:22:27 PM

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Feminism IS TO blame on the faulty belief that patriarchy is to blame for the social stigma on male victims.

So, what do *you* consider the root problem of this apparent lack of social concern for male rape victims to be? On whom or on what do you place the blame?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 3:25:08 PM

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So tell me, Dizzy, what is your solution to the problem?

I, unlike you, have already posted some thoughts on that.
Allow me to repost them for you.

We, as a society, need to stop telling men that they are somehow failures as men if this happens to them, or if they don't just shut up and deal with it "like a man". We need to let them know that it is not their fault, that it does not diminish them as men, and that it is perfectly OK for them to be devastated by a devastating event.
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Does anyone on planet earth have a solution?

Yes, I do believe that many people do, I count myself among them.

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If they did, wouldn't it be fixed by now in 2016?

Not necessarily so, see. it would involve some rather profound changes to our society's gender assumption, and that is something that will take some time and education to accomplish, a process made all that more difficult in no small part because of people like you.

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Tell me how blaming patriarchy is going to fix this problem, dizzy.

Well first of all, I did not blame patriarchy, I did blame "patriarchal gender assumptions", which are not the same thing, and how will blaming patriarchal gender assumptions fix this problem? Well quite simply by actually identifying the actual underlying cause of the problem. See, the reason why male rape victims are so poorly served is due in no small part to the various ideas our society holds regarding what it means to be a man and what the "proper" behaviour for a male in such a situation ought to be. And those ideas are ideas engendered by....you guessed it, patriarchal gender assumptions.

So, if you really do want to do something about this problem, if you honestly want to help resolve it, then you must challenge the patriarchal gender assumptions that are at the root of the problem. I do realize that you have a bug up your butt when it comes to words like "patriarchy" and "patriarchal", but that does not make the facts any less true. So, if it makes you more comfortable, instead of saying "patriarchal" gender assumptions, just say "antiquated inaccurate" gender assumptions. it really does not matter as they mean the same thing.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 3:27:45 PM

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Or is it that you don't really care, you just have had bad experiences with women so you use feminisn as an excuse to bitch about them?

For starters, someone else made this topic about feminism before me, shit titts

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No one is fucking saying this shit doesn't happen to men.
"Feminists don't want to acknowledge this!!"

Open your eyes. Any feminist who is worth a damn knows men get fucking raped, and cares about it too.

In my group therapy- I was the ONLY female.

I'm pretty fucking sure damn near every time this has been brought up myself and other "feminazis" on this board have agreed all rape is an issue. What we want is for people not to elect rapists. I mean- if you care about it so much- why give female victims this much shit? All the time?

Anyway, wayward, feminism has became a part of the topic when it comes to rape. Feminists are pretty much the mainstream prominent voice when it comes to the discussion of rape issues.

Feminism IS TO blame on the faulty belief that patriarchy is to blame for the social stigma on male victims. Feminism is also to blame for why male victims get less considered as feminists campaigns show little to no consideration towards male victims and make it mostly about female victims. What protest and voice about rape only gets heard in mainstream media? When it comes from feminists, which is very unfortunate because it will always be a one sided discussion.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:02:22 PM

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Someone might have forgotten about our allies in Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

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Termy, I agree that this is tragic. But I don't know what we can do about this. I don't know our men over there do it, I can't even imagine. But that's part of a much bigger picture that we have no influence upon at all. But we can influence others opinions over here, and how people handle things over here. But it is going to take some changes in attitudes, on the parts of men and women.

Yeah, tragic but the medical industry as well as addicts have cheap opiates. And that is what the war was always about. Happenings like that, you know how many links there are to that information ? Almost none. They don't want people to know the real reasons for war. Like Saddam, his WMDs were billions of US dollars in the banks. He switched to the euro and was about to dump those US greenbacks a drop their value. The US started the shit in Ukraine to get control of the pipeline and thus get their fingers into the natural gas market in Europe, which is substantial. They just underestimated how many Russians don't care for them and their jews and VOLUNTEERED to go there. Half of Ukraine is Russian anyway, and yes there are Russian troops there, but Russia did not send them. They came on their own accord to protect their families and friends. Almost half of the people in Ukraine think it should be a Russian prvince, or with them whatever way.

Gertrude Bell drew some lines on a map and effectively created Iraq, when in reality it should have been three separate countries. And Saddam became necessary because we made enemies out of Iran by deposing their lawfully elected President Mossadeq.

The people really know very little about the real reasons for war. Hitler gained power because of the German banks robbing the People blind. Those spoils went to finance the Russian revolution. They were definitely enemies and Hitler knew they were coming sooner or later. And now Putin, as long as he lives is not going to let shit like that happen again. And that is why he has so much public support.

The axis powers I call, which means the US, UK and Israel, have really fucked up. Putin will have not much to do with them, they are limited in what kinds of businesses they can own there. A few other things. And world opinion is slow but sure starting to side with them. Ever hear of BRICS ? That is a trading bloc who literally declared war on the petrobuck. Sanctions on Iran ? Now they sell oil to China for real gold, not subject to the next time our bankers decide they need an extra trillion or so.

Seems like every thing this government does it fucks up. Now we got a President both parties hate, so alot less will get done. So that means they will fuck up less.

And human rights were never an issue. This government came up with the Alien and Sedition act which pretty much nullifies the first amendment before the ink was even really dry on the Constitution. Committed near genocide, institutionalized and racialized slavery, broke almost every treaty they mad with the Red Man. And then put down a rebellion in the south in the most inhumane way possible, while there is no clause in the Constitution that says "once a state, always a state". I have read it, there is no such clause. And even that civil war, emancipation of slaves came TWO YEARS after the start of the war and it only applied to rebel states, slave holders in the loyal states got to keep theirs.

The reasons for war are not really advertised. Sure they tell you what they think you will support, but it is almost never the truth. Even WW2, we got half of Germany. Those people are very productive and our rich folk made plenty of money there. The USSR ran the east side into the ground but that's what they did back then. And that is what we are starting to do. You may laugh because in east Germany they had cars with paper mache' fenders, but wait until someone backs into your car and takes off and you find a replacement taillight lens is $500. Hell, they could get some flour and water and a week worth of old newspaper and a can of paint and be fine, who is better off ?

Enough

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:09:37 PM

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That was such a nutty insult it actually made me laugh.

Does that imply a woman whose breasts are covered in faecal matter - or actually *made* of faecal matter? I like to be accurate when using terminology to which I'm newly acquainted.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:11:35 PM

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:18:42 PM

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We, as a society, need to stop telling men that they are somehow failures as men if this happens to them, or if they don't just shut up and deal with it "like a man". We need to let them know that it is not their fault, that it does not diminish them as men, and that it is perfectly OK for them to be devastated by a devastating event.

Umm Dizzy, you're not looking at the whole picture of my point. Anyone can say... "hey its easy, just tell people to not judge men when they are raped"... if it was as simple and black and white like that, in year 2016, you would have thought this stigma would have diminished a very long time ago. But no, it's not simple like you put it. Therefore, it's not a solution. We can't control how everyone thinks. It's up to each individual on what they think. I can't force a feminist to think otherwise to her nutty beliefs as well as we will never convince a sociopath rapist that he/she should never do it again.

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Yes, I do believe that many people do, I count myself among them.

So ummm, why is the problem still existing?

This is one of the problems with feminism. Feminists think they are doing something about a problem when really they're doing nothing. Take slut walks for example. How the fuck do you think a sociopath rapist is going to listen to a bunch of whiny cunts on the street?

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Well first of all, I did not blame patriarchy, I did blame "patriarchal gender assumptions",

It's still blaming patriarchy.

Look girly, one of the main causes of the problem is male victims getting under represented and hardly recognized due to feminists hogging the microphone on the stage in mainstream media. It gives a message to society that male victims simply don't matter. Feminism isn't fully to blame and patriarchy has nothing to do with it. It all depends on what each individual believes.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:21:17 PM

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Feminism IS TO blame on the faulty belief that patriarchy is to blame for the social stigma on male victims.

OK then. If that is true, then please tell us what is to blame for the social stigma on male victims. If I am indeed wrong, then I really would appreciate it if you could explain how.

Now, just one warning, in case you are planning on blaming feminism for the social stigma, that will get roundly rejected and laughed at as the social stigma against male rape victims has preexisted any imaginable version of feminism by many thousands of years and is in fact much stronger in such notedly non-feminist influenced societies as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. So, with that taken care of, do please tell me what is in fact to blame for the social stigma on male rape victims.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:28:49 PM

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If that is true, then please tell us what is to blame for the social stigma on male victims.

Certainly not some patriarchy boogeyman with an iron fist forcing people to think certain ways. People are responsible and accountable for what they believe and think as no one is forcing them to believe that male victims should get laughed at or not.

Stop treating people in general as children and hold them responsible for their thoughts and actions, not some ridiculous feminist fantasy where a patriarchy boogeyman is making them doing it.

If you want to hold on to blaming patriarchy, come up with citations, real evidence.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:33:21 PM

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If 99 percent or ALL discussions about rape in the mainstream ONLY focuses on the empathy of female rape victims, is it any wonder why society doesn't give a fuck about male victims, therefore, make a joke of it?

So tell me, who is responsible for most of the voices/complaining about rape in mainstream media? Could it be feminists? So you are telling me to not blame feminists when feminists are responsible for what the mainstream media tells to society in regards of rape?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:33:22 PM

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So who or what is to blame then, RM? I think we're all clear now about who and what you think is *not* to blame. We get how you see feminism has ballsed up in its analysis of the root problem. What or who do *you* think is the root problem?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:34:41 PM

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Feminism IS TO blame on the faulty belief that patriarchy is to blame for the social stigma on male victims.

OK then. If that is true, then please tell us what is to blame for the social stigma on male victims. If I am indeed wrong, then I really would appreciate it if you could explain how.

Now, just one warning, in case you are planning on blaming feminism for the social stigma, that will get roundly rejected and laughed at as the social stigma against male rape victims has preexisted any imaginable version of feminism by many thousands of years and is in fact much stronger in such notedly non-feminist influenced societies as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. So, with that taken care of, do please tell me what is in fact to blame for the social stigma on male rape victims.

I think it may be as simple as ... it is still a relatively newly discussed problem. There used to be a social stigma attached to female victims but that has become less and less as society learns to assimilate the information.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:35:26 PM

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My last post peon...I think feminism is partly to blame, not fully to blame. It's how each individual thinks is where most of the blame lies. Every person takes most blame.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:36:38 PM

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Umm Dizzy, you're not looking at the whole picture of my point.

And you're not looking at any part of my point, as usual. Now since I am such a friendly and helpful little fuckpuppet, here's your clue: please note the words "We as a society". Now go ponder the meaning of those words, and the implication of them, and then look at your own response to them and see if you can see how your response is meaningless and of absolutely no relevance.

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So ummm, why is the problem still existing?

I already explained that dear, right in the very next section of the very post you are quoting from. You really must learn to pay attention better.

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Take slut walks for example. How the fuck do you think a sociopath rapist is going to listen to a bunch of whiny cunts on the street?

You do have a point there, a sociopath rapist is very unlikely to be in any way swayed by that sort of thing (or anything else for that matter), however, perhaps you could consider this idea. Maybe sociopathic rapists are not the people that slut walks are intended to speak to. Or is it your contention that all men are sociopathic rapists?

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It's still blaming patriarchy.

No, sorry, it is not.

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one of the main causes of the problem is male victims getting under represented and hardly recognized due to feminists hogging the microphone on the stage in mainstream media.

I'm afraid not dear, see, the problem has existed since long before there were feminists or media of any kind. And I am also pretty sure that the mainstream media in Saudi Arabia is not being hogged by feminists, and yet in that country, the social stigma against male rape victims is much, much worse. How do you explain that?

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It all depends on what each individual believes.

yes dear, that is exactly what I have been saying, see the patriarchal gender assumptions are nothing more than what each individual believes, and in this case, in our present society, a very, very large number of people happen to believe those patriarchal gender assumptions. :)

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:38:53 PM

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My last post peon...I think feminism is partly to blame, not fully to blame. It's how each individual thinks is where most of the blame lies. Every person takes most blame.

Well, where do you, as an individual, think most of the blame lies? Who is the 'bad guy' (or 'bad gal') for you, on this, and why do you lay the blame that way?

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/8/2016 4:42:24 PM

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Well, where do you, as an individual, think most of the blame lies? Who is the 'bad guy' (or 'bad gal') for you, on this, and why do you lay the blame that way?

Blame the ones who CONTROL the discussion about rape in mainstream media. As feminists run the show in the rape victim industry, how can you not place some blame on them?

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