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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 2:08:20 AM   
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There is alot of education about Female rape because women fight for women. We feel closer to our gender issues, we understand the issues, it is just natural we fight for what we understand.

There is lack of education and awareness about Male Rape, because no males bother to set up an create Awareness for Male Rape groups.

Infact if there is ANY Male Rape awareness group, it's ironically Feminist groups that bother educating people about male rape and creating more awareness about it. It's ALWAYS women fighting for victimized males, not the males themselves. It's like the mothering nurturing thing coming out.

So the problem is MEN are not helping the problem!

It's just like educating men about breast cancer in males right? It's again FEMALE GROUPS that bothers doing that!

And I can also imagine IF a male bothers to speak out publicly about his rape. Most of his sympathizers will be women and not men.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 2:35:32 AM   
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Can like one man here explain to me, two things.

1) Raped by Female

2) Raped by Male

How would they like to be treated? What after-care do they require from their loves one? Do they need to talk about it? Be allowed to cry in a safe space? What?

And if you are straight male, would it feel differently on the severity whether the rape involves anal rape or simply being forced to penetrate a woman?

Also another interesting point about gay males, I don't understand alot about gay males, but as they are men, they are seldom demi sexuals. What is the impact on them if they were raped by another male?

I have a feeling, it is not the same as like if a female is raped by a male. But I wouldn't know, since I am not a gay male to be in their shoes.

Naturally by being a woman, I can completely understand what a woman goes through but absolutely have no clue when it comes to males.



There are a whole lot of assumptions here.

I suggest treating people like... I dunno... people. Humans. Offer them the same options, ask them what they need. Encourage them to talk, be there for them. Watch them for signs of trauma that they may not even realize they are feeling (many people, men and women, are not fully in touch with their feelings), keep reaching out over time, and etc.

Because even women vary a lot in what they want and need within their born-sexed brains.

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All I know is that confirming a victim mentality is a bad thing. I got shot in the face, they did not invade one of my holes, they made their own. Now compare rape to that.

People make it out to be a lifelong sentence or some shit and it is not true for Women and it is not true for Men. Scarred for life my ass, Scarred for life is when you got an arm blown off or some shit.


I agree with you about avoiding victim mentality.

HOWEVER, you are wrong about not being scarred for life. Or rather, there is the potential for being physically and mentally scarred for life from a rape (one that does not include additional obvious physical violence beyond immobilization and penetration) in ways that are just now being realized. The way the pudendal nerve works in women connects the genitals directly with very specific and critical parts of the brain. A rape can permanently damage the way a woman CAN think (not does think, to highlight the difference).

Now, if this is understood, a sort of "physical therapy" for the body and mental outlook training for the brain can recover that, like setting a break so it heals cleanly, rather than allowing it to lame a person for life.

This is one of the reasons that rape has been such a weapon forces have used against defeated cultures for so long. If you damage enough of the women badly enough, they will not raise their children to revolt, they will not support their men int he efforts, they will be damaged.

Thanks to the lack of studies on male nervous systems and rape trauma, I do not know how much this is true for male-bodied physiology. I'm guessing there are some parallels. Although I can't be sure, because born-sex-aligned brain differences are small, but can be significant.




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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 2:57:05 AM   
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There are a whole lot of assumptions here.

I suggest treating people like... I dunno... people. Humans. Offer them the same options, ask them what they need. Encourage them to talk, be there for them. Watch them for signs of trauma that they may not even realize they are feeling (many people, men and women, are not fully in touch with their feelings), keep reaching out over time, and etc.

Because even women vary a lot in what they want and need within their born-sexed brains.

I really feel honestly, women and men have differing needs, in how they want to receive comfort. And my own life experience dealing with men and women tells me that.
I don't know, maybe all the men in my life, when they are going through crisis, it's very different. They just want mention it to you once, get a suggestion, and that's the end of it. Then they go sort it out themselves.
With women, they usually want to talk about it alot more times for example.

It's like with counselling right? More women are willing to talk about it as it makes them feel better.

Men tend to feel like talking about it does not make them feel better. They simply want to fix it and want a solution.

Women likes to vent and let it out but not necessarily looking for a solution.

Are there exceptions of women who aren't like that, of course there are exceptions in every typical scenario.

But men and women are different! In alot of things. They don't process everything the same way. I'm all about, customised to suit whatever person in what they need.

We may be all human but we are different types of humans.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 4:18:44 AM   
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Can like one man here explain to me, two things.

1) Raped by Female

2) Raped by Male

How would they like to be treated? What after-care do they require from their loves one? Do they need to talk about it? Be allowed to cry in a safe space? What?



1) Believed

My ex-wife and I had a long and loud argument (I had just found out she was a cheating piece of shit). That night, we went to bed and she started "snuggling up", like she was looking for sex (to make it all "O.K.", of course). I told her - in no uncertain terms that I didn't want her touching me.

When I woke up, she was on top of me and had me inside her (I'm guessing there was some oral sex, while I was asleep?).

When I told the police, I was, literally laughed at. I have told people since and been scoffed at and told I'm ridiculous, etc.

So, "belief" would be a good start.

2) Respect

As I said, before: there are differences between male and female victims of male perpetrators. Read the post and you'll know one of the major ones.



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 5:26:38 AM   
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But men and women are different! In alot of things. They don't process everything the same way. I'm all about, customised to suit whatever person in what they need.

We may be all human but we are different types of humans.


You and I may be women, but we are different types of women. I feel like I have less in common with you than many of the men on this board. And our reactions to other things (outside of discussion) would also likely be very different.

It's good to know generalities.

It's MUCH more important to treat people as individuals, rather than avatars of their sex.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 6:23:21 AM   
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My ex-wife and I had a long and loud argument (I had just found out she was a cheating piece of shit). That night, we went to bed and she started "snuggling up", like she was looking for sex (to make it all "O.K.", of course). I told her - in no uncertain terms that I didn't want her touching me.

When I woke up, she was on top of me and had me inside her (I'm guessing there was some oral sex, while I was asleep?).

When I told the police, I was, literally laughed at. I have told people since and been scoffed at and told I'm ridiculous, etc.

So, "belief" would be a good start.

If someone cares about you, belief would be the first thing they would do. Strangers, probably not for both genders, depending on situation.
I come from a country where husband rape is not illegal. Women can't cry rape if it's her husband raping her. So where I come from, even a woman would be scoff at if she claim her husband raped her. It is his given right.

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2) respect

You mean reassuring him he is not less of a man because of it?
I was thinking considering the difference between a brother and a spouse for example. I would feel like I am walking on egg shells around my brother saying such things.
I would imagine, male rape of a spouse, I would just have sex with him. I would blow him knowing how much I hate blowjobs, but I would to show him, he is not less of a man to me. I want to worship his cock and make him feel good.

But with a brother, I wouldn't know what to do.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 6:28:02 AM   
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You and I may be women, but we are different types of women. I feel like I have less in common with you than many of the men on this board. And our reactions to other things (outside of discussion) would also likely be very different.

Your belief system may be very different from mine and more similar to the men here.

But we both bleed and go through many womanly things that only us woman can go through.

That's how I see it.

Beliefs are cultural. But gender things, there are some things are universal.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 8:52:58 AM   
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Not really confidence inspiring credentials for work at this level.

If it were, Eliot Spitzer's high priced hooker would have been Lieutenant Governor.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 10:03:50 AM   
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You and I may be women, but we are different types of women. I feel like I have less in common with you than many of the men on this board. And our reactions to other things (outside of discussion) would also likely be very different.

Your belief system may be very different from mine and more similar to the men here.

But we both bleed and go through many womanly things that only us woman can go through.

That's how I see it.

Beliefs are cultural. But gender things, there are some things are universal.


I fail to see how having a period affects how I might respond to being raped.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 10:15:10 AM   
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Your belief system may be very different from mine and more similar to the men here.

But we both bleed and go through many womanly things that only us woman can go through.

That's how I see it.

Beliefs are cultural. But gender things, there are some things are universal.



You, who rails against Sharia law so often, cannot be taken seriously, anymore.

By the above reasoning, men in the U.S. feel the same way about women as the men in the Middle East do.

Seriously, do you think before you post?



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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:05:41 AM   
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Yes, rape is rape. The gender of the victim or the perpetrator is irrelevant and ALL rapes should be prosecuted equally. Unfortunately, the societal stigma attached to being raped is magnitudes greater for men than for women. Basically, society sees women who are raped as either poor victims or sluts who asked for it, but men who are raped are seen as not really men, they are seen as lesser, somehow flawed, objects worthy of ridicule, and that totally sucks.

This is just one more example of how the patriarchal gender assumptions that still underlay our society harm men.
It's got nothing to do with our society, it's women's biological programming.

Men who are raped in the Congo - as a consequence of the war - not only have their manhood destroyed, but their woman leaves them. Her reasoning is: "He can't protect himself, so how can he possibly protect me".

It's not patriarchy which harms men, it's the utilitarian nature of women who see men in terms of how useful they can be.

Nice try, but I'm afraid the responsibility for this attitude sits fairly and squarely with women.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:07:41 AM   
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You are like the undisputed champion of being angry at things you don't understand.
I'm the undisputed champion of thinking clearly in this forum. This is because the vast majority of you are stupid. And yes, you're an exemplary case in point.

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Men who were raped are reluctant to come forward because of the same traditional gender roles that you aggressively defend, not because of feminists.
Traditional gender roles which women - including feminists - continually reinforce.

Ah, watching you idiots bleat ignorance is endlessly entertaining.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:12:08 AM   
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Since most (mark the word, please) perpetrators/predators are male, female victims don't tend to question their sexual identity.

We actually have no idea if that's true. Statistics show that women rape as often as men do and by extension female padeophiles are as prevalent as male padeophiles - they're just less liklely to be suspected, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced than men are.




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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:13:45 AM   
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As far as I know there is not. To the best of my knowledge it has not really been studied, in part because it is not only quite rare in comparison
Ah, if only you had the faintest fucking idea what you were talking about. You'd look less like a complete fucking moron.


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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:36:33 AM   
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I'm the undisputed champion of thinking clearly in this forum. This is because the vast majority of you are stupid. And yes, you're an exemplary case in point.

Ah yes..I remember the ceremony....NOT
you are a legend in your own lunchbreak...
Snort, what a claim, from YOU!!! hysterical...I know you have two votes, yer a funny funny fruitcake
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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 11:38:04 AM   
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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 12:18:05 PM   
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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 12:58:15 PM   
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I'm the undisputed champion of thinking clearly in this forum. This is because the vast majority of you are stupid. And yes, you're an exemplary case in point.


Have you been drinking? You're the undisputed fruitcake with a narcissistic personality disorder, more like.

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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 1:19:12 PM   
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RE: When no one calls it rape - 12/9/2016 1:20:50 PM   
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Ah yes..I remember the ceremony....NOT

I guess Kaliko awarded him the title.

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