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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 5:56:47 PM   
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Your premise that it was effective is this thread, no citation needed. Your premise that it was effective is the millions of people who marched..Its set to be the biggest protest in americas history.


How can it be "effective" when these people came in with the same mindset and out with the same mindset? No one changed, the opposing didn't change.

The reason why Trump got voted in is because of what beliefs he has. What makes you think that once Trump gets voted in, he will contradict them beliefs just because a bunch of whiny feminists on the street said he had to?

The people have spoken, the people have voted. The majority voted for his beliefs, not your loony opposing beliefs against his.

So yes, it is very fucking stupid to expect this to be effective. You aren't changing anything. Trump is still going to do what he has promised to do. That's what the majority voted for. Tough luck.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 6:15:12 PM   
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it may not have changed your mind, who would expect it too, its going to make a lot of misogynists lose their shit, well it already is, so yes its had an effect and it will carry on..
The people who marched know damn well it takes more than a march, and change, wont happen overnight...
its called reality
I doubt anyone at the march believed it would change trumps mind.
LOL how sad you think that anyone would believe that.



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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 6:16:56 PM   
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The people have spoken, the people have voted. The majority voted for his beliefs,

You are lying again. The majority voted for bill's wife by nearly 3 million votes. President trump was appointed by the e.c. just like all amerikan presidents. I know you claim to be from oz but since you have chosen to inject yourself into amerikan politics it is incumbant on you to inform yourself about the particulrs of a discusscion before you open your mouth and stuff both feet into it dontcha think?


So yes, it is very fucking stupid to expect this to be effective. You aren't changing anything.

Why do you care? You see it obviously is working because it has your knickers in a twist. If it truely were useless you would not make a sound. Because it brings attention to those who are not trump it makes you feel smaller and so you stamp your little foot and tell the girls that they are wasting their time.

Trump is still going to do what he has promised to do. That's what the majority voted for.

As you well know the majority did not vote for trump by nearly 3 million votes....that bothers you doesn't it?



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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 7:15:17 PM   
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Plus, Clinton had almost 3M more votes when the final count came in.


When the final count came in she lost the popular vote in more states by far. You know what's really funny is, if the media hadn't been lying and bragging about how badly she was going to beat Donald Trump, Hillary might have campaigned in Wisconsin and Michigan and several of the other states their propaganda preached that she had all locked up

Their attempt to help her by cheating, lying to us about the polls to claim she was inevitable, probably cost her the election.

It probably did.
But that still doesn't detract from the fact that she got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut.

And the three million more figure doesn't detract from the face that they came from relatively concentrated liberal enclaves.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 7:37:55 PM   
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“Even using a conservative estimate, it was the single largest day for a demonstration in the US,” Chenoweth, an expert on political protests and civil resistance, told us.

Almost every state in America hosted a Women’s March, as you can see in the map above. The events ranged from tiny gatherings in small town squares to throngs of more than 500,000 people clogging streets in cities like Washington, DC and Los Angeles. (If you see that crowd attendance information is missing from your city, please contact the researchers here.)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1xa0iLqYKz8x9Yc_rfhtmSOJQ2EGgeUVjvV4A8LsIaxY/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0



oh...you can call it fake news or "alternative *facts*" all you want, but unless you have some kind of ""weal and twue facts"
you are channelling your MASTER



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expectation that conservative and libertarians didnt show up is because they vote against so many of the issues.
you cant dismiss it
burns your butt quelle surprise.
There is going to be another one in march.
go away?
ya...nope.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 7:47:38 PM   
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But that still doesn't detract from the fact that she got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut.

And the three million more figure doesn't detract from the face that they came from relatively concentrated liberal enclaves.

Who cares where the fuck they came from.
Overall, HRC got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut across the country.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 8:04:23 PM   
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But that still doesn't detract from the fact that she got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut.

And the three million more figure doesn't detract from the face that they came from relatively concentrated liberal enclaves.

Who cares where the fuck they came from.
Overall, HRC got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut across the country.

Don't feel bad about not understanding our system, most liberal Americans do not understand that we had 51 separate elections, and that Trump won most of them.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 8:09:16 PM   
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Yeah, I was not able to attend but was very proud to see what these women were able to accomplish. A very powerful statement.



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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 8:17:49 PM   
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But that still doesn't detract from the fact that she got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut.

And the three million more figure doesn't detract from the face that they came from relatively concentrated liberal enclaves.

Who cares where the fuck they came from.
Overall, HRC got 3 million+ more votes than the circus peanut across the country.

Let me explain this in a way that you might understand. When you have an election the party with the most members of parliament gets the prime minister, no matter which party gets the most votes.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 9:00:51 PM   
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Don't feel bad about not understanding our system, most liberal Americans do not understand that we had 51 separate elections, and that Trump won most of them.

I have a reasonable understanding of your system.
I don't quite understand why some states have winner takes all and some don't tho.
It should be consistent across the board.

I've looked at EC numbers too.
Not sure I agree with the demographics of it, but that's what you have.
I think the simplest and fairest system is one man one vote.
A simple majority wins the pot - right down to the last vote.

If you had that system, HRC would have won.
Though I'm not convinced she would be any better.

I just hope Trump doesn't screw up and drop the USA in the shit.


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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 10:04:51 PM   
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Complicated red tape....

Another term for that is "go directly to the gallows, no trial, no questions."

You don't trust your government to make fair decisions. That's why US courts have jury to help the judge make his decision. And our courts, UK courts, just have a judge who judges. We need to appoint the right judge to make the right judgement.

Same with ISA. Who-ever decides who is guilty, is almost like a Judge and gets to decide. That person is obviously carefully selected like a Judge is.

I've always been very outspoken and said alot of inflammatory things. I've even gone face to face to our Minister of Labour and argued with him heatedly about things, letting him know how I feel about at one point of time, the stupid foreign labour work permits and how it works.

IF ISA was unfair, I would have been arrested.

Yet ISA has been detaining potential Islamic Terrorists lately and really put to good use to prevent Lone Wolves attacks.


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And any government that cannot tolerate criticism of any sort, constructive or not, is not one I would live under. Kind of reminds me of Stalinist Russia, Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain....Part of the value of free speech is the right to criticize the government WITHOUT fear of reprisal.

I think you aren't listening that constructive criticism is allowed. Disrespectful Criticism is not allowed. Asia as a whole, is all about respect for each other. Try insulting a King in Thailand and see what happens? Every Asian country believes in respectful dialogue. We actually think it's disgraceful like, how people are calling Obama words like "Monkey" and calling Michelle a "transsexual", because that's disrespectful and now, all the things they are calling Trump, "Orange Orang Utan" or something.

If they had express their criticism in a non-personal attack manner and stick to the issues and offer alternative solutions. This person would NEVER get in trouble.

If you notice, even in this political discourse, I refrain from personal attacks as much as possible, because when I am clashing with my government, I have to. It's what we are brought up to believe that political disagreement can be done in a respectful manner. And I am sure people can express their opposing views without making it personal. It IS possible ya know!

Not like the way you guys do it. But that's the West. And this is Asia. We believe in different ways of expressing disagreements with government. Respectful Tone is utmost importance over here.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 10:16:16 PM   
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anyone reading this thread can realise that no one can come up with a citation to prove that this march was effective.

Do you think Feminists took just ONE activity to instill voting rights, property rights, right to education to women? They took years of failures to finally reach there. But each little big thing they do, when they get shut down, would have continued to inspire more and more to fight for their rights.
This is just the beginning and a start.
It takes years of continuous efforts.
But this is a big start because they have brought awareness to millions world wide.

The success is in planting seeds and they see the results in the turn out, that people have been noticing and supporting.

They made sure their message got Media attention and reached to as many people world wide as possible. That is success. And they achieve their goal.



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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 10:37:40 PM   
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But protests need to have a core value, a single focus -- not an "intersectionality." To make true change, it cannot be just about 'pussy' hats and vagina costumes. Otherwise, you just become a sideshow and side story about people unhappy about election results.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/opinions/women-why-march-zito-opinion/index.html

I personally think this woman's March core reason was in a way, to celebrate Hillary. Despite losing, they are still hopeful and will continue to fight and do better. There are alot of women world-wide even outside of US, would have loved to see a Female President.

Even I want to see a Female President for the US, but unfortunately Hillary was such a terrible candidate. I just didn't want it to be her. I want a better woman to appear! Saying this, for my own country, I know for certainty the next President of our country, is gonna be Tudung wearing Muslim woman. As people want a President to represent minorities, our government wants that too. And she is the best choice, being a Judge.

The other thing also, thanks to Trump braggy "Grab the Pussy" comment. Many women feel shock that instead of a woman getting voted in and it could be historic "Trinity" thing right? Merkel, Theresa and Hillary rule the world, girl power era, instead a man who brags about grabbing pussy is able to win.

I see this event as giving hope to women. Giving them a platform to express their beliefs. And also a demonstration of how far we have come, and what Feminism has achieved for women, empowering them to believe in themselves and they can be whatever they want to be. And I still love how this event mobilised world wide with zero violence occurring.

Unlike the Trump Protestors. These women show how you can protest against Trump peacefully and stick to the issues. I really like that.



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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 10:56:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greta... a lot of women didn't agree with the women's march, so it is not giving a platform to 'Women'... just a segment of women.

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RE: Women's March - 1/23/2017 11:16:11 PM   
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Greta... a lot of women didn't agree with the women's march, so it is not giving a platform to 'Women'... just a segment of women.

While I respect a woman's right to want to be dependent on a man.
But over all, it is not practical unless 100% of women are guaranteed a good man who will not abuse them and treat them well. Which is not a reality in this world.

So yes, there are women out there who do not support Feminism that are not represented in this Women's March.

But to me. The core of Feminism is about giving women choices or encouraging women to make choices in life that will not give them the potential of being a victim. So even if for example if a woman chooses to focus on family and her man. These women still needs to be encourage to for example, still have her own money separate from her husband, have her own savings. Maintain some sort of independence. Which is why Feminists talk about homemaker allowances as a salary. To make sure these women will always have their own dough in case of abuse and they got to leave.

Their agenda is right.

I think it serves no purpose to include voices of women who wants to promote the dependent on men way of life, and just taking a back seat and letting the men run the world, because I believe, it makes a woman helpless, IF she didn't find a good man to take care of her. And that is dangerous to her own well being IF she chose the wrong man in my opinion.

If she chooses the right one, then of course, it will be a very happy life for her.

I want Muslim women to have choices for example. Currently they do not. And if after being given choices, they still choose what was enforced upon them, then, all is good, the key is. I want them to do it by choice and not by force which most of them in Muslim countries are doing right now.

It's not a choice when you can get in trouble with the law for not following.

I just see the woman's march an inspiration to women stuck in Islamic countries where they have no choices and are oppressed as women. That one day, they can have their own women's march there too, unite and have a voice.

Because end of the day, as I said. Take Saudi for example. Women are hostages in their own country. Even if they want to run away, leave Saudi, they can't. It's illegal. They need their father's or husband's permission, or they will be punished and jailed for leaving the country without that permission. That is not right! And being imprisoned in a country that only favours men cannot possibly be paradise.

Even western women who fantasizes about extreme slavery wouldn't want to live in Saudi Arabia. Because they know they will experience real slavery there and their choice would truly be taken away from them forever even if they change their minds later.


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RE: Women's March - 1/24/2017 3:52:46 AM   
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Don't feel bad about not understanding our system, most liberal Americans do not understand that we had 51 separate elections, and that Trump won most of them.

I have a reasonable understanding of your system.
I don't quite understand why some states have winner takes all and some don't tho.
It should be consistent across the board.

I've looked at EC numbers too.
Not sure I agree with the demographics of it, but that's what you have.
I think the simplest and fairest system is one man one vote.
A simple majority wins the pot - right down to the last vote.

If you had that system, HRC would have won.
Though I'm not convinced she would be any better.

I just hope Trump doesn't screw up and drop the USA in the shit.

But we don't have that system...Thank God. If we did, then this country would become a dictatorship governed by liberals doing "what's best for all of us" as determined by them.

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RE: Women's March - 1/24/2017 5:24:57 AM   
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RE: Women's March - 1/24/2017 5:41:07 AM   
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But we don't have that system...Thank God.

I am not quite sure how to break this to you but, yes we do have that system for electing all of our politicians except the president and v.p. But then how could we experct you to know that?





If we did, then this country would become a dictatorship governed by liberals doing "what's best for all of us" as determined by them.

Is that why the liberals control the house and senate? Is that why the liberals control the state houses and the state legislatures? You see all of those offices are elected by direct popular vote which you claim would lead to a "dictatorship governed by liberals. Your opinion is not supported by reality.




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RE: Women's March - 1/24/2017 5:48:37 AM   
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Because end of the day, as I said. Take Saudi for example. Women are hostages in their own country. Even if they want to run away, leave Saudi, they can't. It's illegal. They need their father's or husband's permission, or they will be punished and jailed for leaving the country without that permission.


I often wonder just how stupid you really are.
If a saudi woman left the country without the proper permission how would the saudi government arrest her. What country would extradite her?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Women's March - 1/24/2017 5:51:34 AM   
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And the three million more figure doesn't detract from the face that they came from relatively concentrated liberal enclaves.

Why would you expect a conservative to vote to vote for bill's wife?

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