jlf1961
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Do you really believe that any group of people OR country has the right to demand or threaten a country and demand they change the way they do things just because you or some group thinks they are wrong?
Asian culture do not believe in interfering in other country's culture no matter how wrong it looks like to us. Their business is not our business. Which is why also we don't get involve in giving foreign aid to anybody in trouble. We rather just focus on ourselves.
But for me personally, I think a group of people, if they see injustices done to a certain group of people in another country. I mean, Dubai's stoning women to death for adultery, even though she was actually raped, latest case was just in 2013, and I believe it was a western woman?
While some people see certain things we do in my own country as barbaric, like keeping the caning system, and putting drug traffickers to death. But those are easily avoidable. Don't smuggle drugs. Don't vandalize. That is no where near the real injustice of a woman being stoned for getting sexually assaulted against her will which I would argue women are more protected here than most other places against sexual assault, even better than the west, when it comes to sexual assault.
IF there is anything they can do to help pressure the government of that country to change those ways of real injustices. Yes they should.
Please note the part I put in bold, and answer the following:
It would therefore be perfectly acceptable for people in this country to try and pressure your government to allow for more freedoms of the press, less oppressive justice system and basically changing everything about your legal and government control of the press, and failing that, pressure our president into sending troops to force change?
In case you have not grasped the the situation, consider the uproar caused when your justice system ordered the caning of a foreign national for graffiti, when it would have been just as easy to deport him out of the country (which was done anyway.)
My point is that your country is less than a century old, and you agree that people should force a cultural change that has been a way of life for close to a thousand years.
No amount of women's protest is going to accomplish that, the ONLY way is for an internal revolution, and sorry to say, when that happens the regime is usually changed to one that will make the current system look like Utopia, or an invasion of troops from another country, in which case you are looking at innocent women, children and non-combatants getting caught in the crossfire.
To give you an example, a coalition of western forces invaded Iraq to depose a dictator.
Over 200 thousand Iraqi civilians who were non combatants either were killed or wounded in the invasion and subsequent occupation.
The devastated infrastructure still has not been rebuilt, and with the current situation with ISIS and other insurgent groups, it probably never will be.
So, now you have a country that cannot rule itself, has very limited access to clean drinking water, food and medical aid, and to top it off, more people are dying as a result of that little military operation on a daily basis than all the political prisoners and ethnic groups killed by the regime we replaced.
So, for you and the ladies who want this changed immediately, since the odds are better for me to hit the next 12 lotto jackpots than it is for these regimes to change their system, which is worse?
A) one or two women stoned to death under an archaic and cruel judicial system
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B) Two or three hundred men, women and children either starving to death or dying from diseases that could be prevented with good sanitation facilities and clean water, or out right murdered by an extremist sect with an even more warped reading of the religious law?
We are, after all, talking about a religious belief system with a built in judicial code. It took the Catholic church 400 years to stop referring to Mary Magdalene as a repentant prostitute.
It took the Catholic Church and the Catholic based royalty in European countries 200 years to actually END the inquisition system. It took the entire Christian world 600 years to quit burning, hanging or drowning men and women accused of witch craft.
In other words people, the Salem Witch Trials in the Massachusetts bay colony was NOT the last series of witch trials where men and women were executed for the crime of witch craft.
And I must point out that in witchcraft trials, 'spectral' evidence was not only allowed, but usually the only evidence presented to prove a woman guilty.
So, there is really no third option, and given the historic rate in which a religious doctrine changes, I estimate you may some small changes beginning in maybe 100 years, short of military force.
And if you think that the non Muslim world is going to consider using economic sanctions to force a change, you can forget that. Unfortunately, this planet is dependent on the oil that comes out of those countries, which is the primary reason why the UN or any other international agency has turned a blind eye to women being stoned to death for adultery or being raped.
And while biofuels are a possible alternative, there is not economic reason to change over night.
So march all you want, protest in front of embassies, get angry and scream...
Those Arab oil sheiks are laughing at you as they ride around in half million dollar cars going to the bank to deposit the money that YOU spent to fill up your mini van to take your precious darlings to soccer practice, ballet and to run to walmart every time there is a sale.
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