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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, they talk a lot.

I'm hardly a fan of outsourcing, but I'm wondering how we're supposed to just give them the boot.  That sounds like taking our football and going home because we don't like the way the game is going.  Or closing our eyes and pretending they can't see us because we can't see them.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I'll just say that it wasn't long ago that I listened to a translated speech from the number two or three in command Chinese General that said they would go as far as to launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Los Angeles if we interdicted/ helped defend Taiwan when they get ready to storm the Island shortly after the 2008 Olympics.

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

It is a non issue really.  They do not execute children.  So whether you would or not is immaterial.

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Zensee, but wouldn't you rather get a vacation out of the deal with all the money you'd save by getting a transplant in China instead of the U.S.?
I know I would!
Think about it, probably your one chance in a lifetime to see the Great Wall of China, that new Dam they're building, that huge gorge, Hong Kong, Peiking and you'd still have about $20k American in your pocket!
Not a lot to think about my friend!

Actually, because I live in a humane country, there is no cost for me to get a transplant in Canada.

But, supposing I had to pay cash - still, I would not take the Chinese route, regardless of the savings or holiday opportunity.

There may be not a lot to think about for you but that doesn't mean everyone should be thoughtless or can be.
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ORIGINAL: Rule

I consider all transplants immoral.
 
I can understand desperate relatives to give up a kidney to save a loved one, but even that I do not approve off either.
 
When it is your time, it is your time. Do not cling to life, as it often only serves to extend your suffering.
 
I am also opposed to most medical treatments. It is only very rarely that someone is truly cured by it. (antibiotics and aspirin being just about the only effective medications)
Usually when someone gets another medication for one illness their health in other respects starts to go downhill quickly.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Then come back after you've read it and tell me if you think China is still possibly an ''Ally''

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But, supposing I had to pay cash - still, I would not take the Chinese route, regardless of the savings or holiday opportunity.

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Oh,...now I see! You live in Canada and would have your transplant paid for but you'd tell someone in the U.S. not to go to China!
"I got mine so screw you!"
Wow! The hypocracy from the left is stunning!

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But, supposing I had to pay cash - still, I would not take the Chinese route, regardless of the savings or holiday opportunity.

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Oh,...now I see! You live in Canada and would have your transplant paid for but you'd tell someone in the U.S. not to go to China!
"I got mine so screw you!"
Wow! The hypocracy from the left is stunning!

Guess you selectively missed my qualifier - just looking for what you wanted to see in my comment?

To clarify - I wasn't telling anynoe else what to do, just saying what I'd do. Whether or not I had to pay I would not use the body parts of people murdered by a totalitarian regime.

You may return from orbit now.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I consider all transplants immoral.
 
I can understand desperate relatives to give up a kidney to save a loved one, but even that I do not approve off either.
 
When it is your time, it is your time. Do not cling to life, as it often only serves to extend your suffering.
 
I am also opposed to most medical treatments. It is only very rarely that someone is truly cured by it. (antibiotics and aspirin being just about the only effective medications)
Usually when someone gets another medication for one illness their health in other respects starts to go downhill quickly.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So, there is a fair proportion of posts here which see no problem in taking advantage of organ donation from executed Chinese prisoners.

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ORIGINAL: raiken
Look up what happens in the body from taking antibiotics on a biochemical and physiological level and study...you would be amazed.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I think you're misrepresenting the people who have expressed an opinion that doesn't coincide with yours.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So, there is a fair proportion of posts here which see no problem in taking advantage of organ donation from executed Chinese prisoners.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You really think we don't spy on China?  Well...we do.

Allies aren't necessarily friends.  You don't have to love your ally; you don't even have to agree with their basic views and policies.  You just have to know how they're going to behave.  I think we have a pretty good handle on how China is going to behave (at least as long as the technocrats are in power).  They're a hell of a lot more predictable than some of the other allies we've been trying to cultivate recently.  I'm thinking Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, some of those basketcase nations in South America--you name it.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Then come back after you've read it and tell me if you think China is still possibly an ''Ally''

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So, there is a fair proportion of posts here which see no problem in taking advantage of organ donation from executed Chinese prisoners.

Now lets mix it up with the "Las Vegas cop" thread. Would it be acceptable for the US government to intern illegal immigrants and, lets not say execute them......... but say, take one kidney and one lung from each, for donation to US citizens at no cost?

In return for the "donation", the illegal immigrant would be given, say USD 10,000-00, and sent home - enough money to last them a good while in their homelands. Each illegal immigrant would be interned on discovery - those who have not yet made amends for their illegal entry by way of "donation" would go for surgery, those who have made such amends in the past would be shot.

Would this be just as acceptable, less acceptable, or more acceptable, to those who see no problem with the Chinese situation?

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So, there is a fair proportion of posts here which see no problem in taking advantage of organ donation from executed Chinese prisoners.

Now lets mix it up with the "Las Vegas cop" thread. Would it be acceptable for the US government to intern illegal immigrants and, lets not say execute them......... but say, take one kidney and one lung from each, for donation to US citizens at no cost?

In return for the "donation", the illegal immigrant would be given, say USD 10,000-00, and sent home - enough money to last them a good while in their homelands. Each illegal immigrant would be interned on discovery - those who have not yet made amends for their illegal entry by way of "donation" would go for surgery, those who have made such amends in the past would be shot.

Would this be just as acceptable, less acceptable, or more acceptable, to those who see no problem with the Chinese situation?

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Lady, the govt. can't even secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws.
But they can spend tens of billions of  our tax money overseas in wars and foreign aid.
How could you expect them to carry out your proposal

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As for the issue of body parts, my ex husband was a buyer at a biomed firm.  He brought home a "parts list" one day.  Any organ you can think of, from any "person type" - male, female, adult, child, infant - you name it.  Up for sale.  From all sorts of countries.  Russia was a big one, actually.  These parts were purchased for cloning and other labratory experiements.  No clue how they had been come up for sale.  It was really creepy to actually read a price list for a toddler's organs.  This stuff is happening all over, folks.  Not just in China, not just to save initial illnesses. 

But how were they acquired?  Legitimately? 

In the US, people can donate towards "research and education" through organizations like the National Disease Resource Interchange.  http://www.ndriresource.org/  There's hundreds of these organizations....and they supply researchers with organs, tissues, and cells for them to do their work.  They also provide biomed companies with "demo parts" -- say, a leg to be preserved to demonstrate a new orthopedic device a company is marketing.

Yes, Im well aware of this, as I am a willing consenting donor when my death occurs. 

Adoption is wonderful and legal too when done legitimately.  But that doesnt mean that black market babies should be bred and sold. 

I think you may have missed the current of the conversation.  No one was putting down legitmate organ donation.  This was about the killing, selling and exploiting of human beings in order to rape them of their body parts so that others may live.  The fact that there is legitimate organ donation happening every day, does not mean that these horrors being discussed here are untrue or should not be discussed.