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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:04:33 AM   
cjenny


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Status: offline 		As do the majority of people. Children have no one to speak for them except adults.
Maybe I am able to be a bit 'quieter' on this topic than some because this wasn't new to me. That is why I was wondering if anyone had put thought to another way of handling this.
Believe me you did not hurt my feelings in the least.

I was hoping that instead of people bitching about the government messing up, maybe people could pull together and discuss ways to change/fix things.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:04:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion regarding aliens..  America started as the land of  the free.  People came here to avoid the iron fists and poverty, etc.  I dont believe that people should be here illegally, but we all started that way.  We hold pride in singing our songs that proclaim america as the free.  Also, I speak from the side where America overthrew our country.  Held our Queen hostage, and eventually demolished the entire culture.  There is always good and bad in every decision.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:09:16 AM   
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The first step to change is informing people. That is all I am doing here, informing people. Once enough people are informed then we as a society can do something about it, but if no one knows nothing will ever be done...




   (bold added for emphasis)

  No, Julia.  You are attacking people by assigning evil values to anyone who doesn't share your knee jerk, bleeding heart reaction. 

   I'm wondering, if the fairness doctrine goes through, will Democracy Now have to be renamed, Dictatorship of the Dependent?

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:09:29 AM   
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In my opinion regarding aliens..  America started as the land of  the free.  People came here to avoid the iron fists and poverty, etc.  I dont believe that people should be here illegally, but we all started that way.  We hold pride in singing our songs that proclaim america as the free.  Also, I speak from the side where America overthrew our country.  Held our Queen hostage, and eventually demolished the entire culture.  There is always good and bad in every decision.


midwestslave:
Sounds like Hawaii.
thompson

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:17:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly can't see anything wrong with detaining immigrants.  They aren't legal citizens of America, so I don't know what else can be done with them but detaining them.  Unfortunately this country is just not big enough to necessarily contain everyone that comes in here, and I do have serious problems with how immigrant labor is pushing down living wages for Americans.  As for the children, I would think it would be worse to just release children to wander around aimlessly while their parents are in detention - again its a function of what can pragmatically be done with the children who are not legal citizens either.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:23:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
The first step to change is informing people. That is all I am doing here, informing people. Once enough people are informed then we as a society can do something about it, but if no one knows nothing will ever be done...




(bold added for emphasis)

No, Julia.  You are attacking people by assigning evil values to anyone who doesn't share your knee jerk, bleeding heart reaction. 

I'm wondering, if the fairness doctrine goes through, will Democracy Now have to be renamed, Dictatorship of the Dependent?


Keep flaming rich.. pot kettle black

Edited to add, you have attacked me a couple of times on this thread... keep on keeping on.. .you do it so well, but I decided I was not going to do the tit for tat thing... I got better things to do with my time, like go to work...

cya!

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:40:34 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		Ms JO said
I got better things to do with my time, like go to work... cya!

Can that be true, working I mean, I thought you were an academic.  Boom Boom !!

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 10:58:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
The first step to change is informing people. That is all I am doing here, informing people. Once enough people are informed then we as a society can do something about it, but if no one knows nothing will ever be done...




(bold added for emphasis)

No, Julia.  You are attacking people by assigning evil values to anyone who doesn't share your knee jerk, bleeding heart reaction. 

I'm wondering, if the fairness doctrine goes through, will Democracy Now have to be renamed, Dictatorship of the Dependent?


Keep flaming rich.. pot kettle black

Edited to add, you have attacked me a couple of times on this thread... keep on keeping on.. .you do it so well, but I decided I was not going to do the tit for tat thing... I got better things to do with my time, like go to work...

cya!


Wyed Rich, right on the head again.
Hmm, I wonder why these people's home countrie's aren't "speaking up" to get them back home???

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 2:30:53 PM   
Sinergy


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Julia, now you want to put them in apartments?
Send their kids to our schools?
How about putting our own homeless people in apartments?
And who's going to pay for all this stuff?
Your argument is very weak. These people aren't "Immigrants" they're Illegal Aliens.



Her argument is not that weak, popeye1250.

Who pays to incarcerate them?  At least with her approach their children dont grow up to be hardened criminals or burdens on the welfare state, hopefully.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 2:42:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
The first step to change is informing people. That is all I am doing here, informing people. Once enough people are informed then we as a society can do something about it, but if no one knows nothing will ever be done...




  (bold added for emphasis)

No, Julia.  You are attacking people by assigning evil values to anyone who doesn't share your knee jerk, bleeding heart reaction. 

  I'm wondering, if the fairness doctrine goes through, will Democracy Now have to be renamed, Dictatorship of the Dependent?


WyrdRich:
What exactly do you think ought to be done with the child of the two illegally detained non citizens.
thompson

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 3:02:33 PM   
seeksfemslave


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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 3:30:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Kept with their parents, which seems to be what is upsetting Ms JO so much !!!


seeksfemslave:
Actually I think it was the fact that the child was  taken from the parents was one of the things that got her underware all bunched up.   I can't say as I blame her.  Here is a family on its way to Canada and the plane lands in the U.S, for some medical emergency and these people are detained and seperated from thier child.  They did not come here illegally they were detained illegally and thir child kidnapped from them.  You may think kidnapping is a harsh term but how else might it be characterized.  Is it different when the government does it?  Is it somehow less traumatic to the child and the parents because it is a governmental body and not some thug demanding money for the safe return of their child.  I would agree that we do not at this point have the whole story but the part that we do have seems to speak poorley of the INS or HLS or which set of letters was responsible for this.
thompson

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 3:52:38 PM   
Sinergy


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You didn't hurt my feelings. I think you are very emotional over this subject, it is a very difficult thing.

I was trying to get possibilities, ways of changing the system instead of just railing against it.



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I get kicked in the head so that women and children (and even some men) can keep themselves safe.

Not the only thing, but it is one example of something that can be done.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 3:55:21 PM   
Sinergy


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Kept with their parents, which seems to be what is upsetting Ms JO so much !!!


So you are advocating banishment or internment of a (the baby) US citizen without trial?

There are laws that prevent that in our Constitution.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 4:07:45 PM   
cjenny


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

You didn't hurt my feelings. I think you are very emotional over this subject, it is a very difficult thing.

I was trying to get possibilities, ways of changing the system instead of just railing against it.



[okay, every time I click a page or forum I go to guest & lose my log in, wassup with that?]


I get kicked in the head so that women and children (and even some men) can keep themselves safe.

Not the only thing, but it is one example of something that can be done.

Sinergy


I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 4:52:58 PM   
VeryMercurial


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Status: offline 		Why not ask, how would we be treated if we were in the same situation in their country?
Would we be put in apartments and would our children be educated free of charge?
Jenny, do you notice how you are wrong if you don't agree with someone else around here?
I am not a bad or evil person, and I resent being called names because I don't agree with
encouraging people to come to my country illegally.

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 4:59:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		what is the difference if someone is an american or not? they all bleed red and they all feel pain and suffering the same way. america, being in a dominant positions shouldbe like a " good dom" to the world. strict and fair but nurturing. not just seeing what can be got from the sub or to exploit them. america needs to think more about how other countries see her and right now that is pretty grim, and for good reason

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 5:02:01 PM   
VeryMercurial


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Status: offline 		America needs to take care of the many people right here that need help.
Did you realize that the unemployment rate of some young black males in NYC
is 50%?  Do you care more about those that are here illegally then helping those
already here?

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 5:09:49 PM   
Sanity


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I thought this was an interesting article about how we are locking up immigrants into tent cities... some of them applying for political assylum, some of them undocumented. We are locking up entire families, and these are basically prisons in which parents cannot have access to their children at night.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=628f948c767d51b91f4157dda2a64da9

Today's Democracy Now had a show interviewing some of these detainees, one family happened to be unlucky enoug to be on a plane that had an emergency landing for a heart patient, they were detained because they lacked an American visa and they are Iranian

http://www.democracynow.org/

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RE: Locking Up the Huddled Masses - 2/24/2007 5:17:07 PM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		It's one thing to be "a good Dom" to those who are invited to stay with you in your house, and quite another when large numbers break in completely  uninvited.

Don't you think?

Without borders we have no nation, and with no nation we have no laws. With no nation or laws, the very things that draw such large numbers here in the first place will no longer exist.

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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

what is the difference if someone is an american or not? they all bleed red and they all feel pain and suffering the same way. america, being in a dominant positions shouldbe like a " good dom" to the world. strict and fair but nurturing. not just seeing what can be got from the sub or to exploit them. america needs to think more about how other countries see her and right now that is pretty grim, and for good reason

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