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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4


So I climb off my surfboard and walk up onto the beach to relate.

A couple of Monkeyboy's Homeland Security Nazis walk up and demand I show them my papers.

I dont have them. They dont fit in the pocket of my Kanvas By Katin board shorts. I look confused. I get hauled off to Gitmo.

Please name one U.S. citizen removed from the CONUS to Gitmo. You cant because as a citizen and not an enemy combatant you have rights here. But having to identify yourself to the police is a requirement. as in HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEVADA

Sure, they followed the law, but I remember a law abiding citizenry that were not detained by law enforcement without this thing called "probable cause."

Walking up onto the beach with my surfboard, please explain the probable cause which would require a law enforcement professional to try to detain me?

Was a surf board reported stolen? Do you give off an odor of an illegal substance? Im sure that there are dozens of reasons to Terry stop you.

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Please name one U.S. citizen removed from the CONUS to Gitmo. You cant because as a citizen and not an enemy combatant you have rights here. But having to identify yourself to the police is a requirement. as in HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEVADA

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4


So I climb off my surfboard and walk up onto the beach to relate.

A couple of Monkeyboy's Homeland Security Nazis walk up and demand I show them my papers.

I dont have them. They dont fit in the pocket of my Kanvas By Katin board shorts. I look confused. I get hauled off to Gitmo.

Please name one U.S. citizen removed from the CONUS to Gitmo. You cant because as a citizen and not an enemy combatant you have rights here. But having to identify yourself to the police is a requirement. as in HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEVADA

Sure, they followed the law, but I remember a law abiding citizenry that were not detained by law enforcement without this thing called "probable cause."

Walking up onto the beach with my surfboard, please explain the probable cause which would require a law enforcement professional to try to detain me?

Was a surf board reported stolen? Do you give off an odor of an illegal substance? Im sure that there are dozens of reasons to Terry stop you.

So much for "Land of the Free" and "Home of the Brave". Americans are such cowards, the way they fear everyone so much they need to play "It's a valid Terry Stop" games to justify their Police State.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Please name one U.S. citizen removed from the CONUS to Gitmo. You cant because as a citizen and not an enemy combatant you have rights here. But having to identify yourself to the police is a requirement. as in HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEVADA

As per the Cuba/US Treaty, Gitmo is US JURISDICTION.
Wrong,
WASHINGTON — In a victory for the White House, a U.S. appeals court Tuesday threw out the legal claims brought on behalf of the hundreds of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and ruled that they did not have a right to plead their innocence in an American court.

In a 2-1 decision, the judges said the Constitution did not extend the right of habeas corpus to noncitizens held outside the sovereign territory of this country. "Cuba — not the United States — has sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay," Judge A. Raymond Randolph wrote.


As per the 14th Amendment, ALL PERSONS in that Jurisdiction are guaranteed Equal Protection of the Laws. Under the 5th, All PERSONS get Due Process.

What's "Due Process" or "Equal Protection" about holding people in US JURISDICTION ( protected via the 14th Amendment) for years without an arraignment when YOU in any State in the nation are pretty much guaranteed a court appearance within 72 hours?

These amendments only apply to citizens here in the US.

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What's "Due Process" or "Equal Protection" about holding people in US JURISDICTION ( protected via the 14th Amendment) for years without an arraignment when YOU in any State in the nation are pretty much guaranteed a court appearance within 72 hours?

These amendments only apply to citizens here in the US.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Leftwing! That's funny. Here's a hint.

OUR RIGHTS COME FROM OUR CREATOR, EVERYONE HAS THEM.

Careful your lefty friends may start to avoid you should you reveal that you belive in a higher power. Most lib's only use religion as a punch line.

The Constitution LIMITS the Federal Government to only the delegated powers.

Yeah, Leftwing. I'm so far RIGHT, Bush is a Socialist ( No Child Gets Ahead... )

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Leftwing! That's funny. Here's a hint.

OUR RIGHTS COME FROM OUR CREATOR, EVERYONE HAS THEM.

Careful your lefty friends may start to avoid you should you reveal that you belive in a higher power. Most lib's only use religion as a punch line.

The Constitution LIMITS the Federal Government to only the delegated powers.

Yeah, Leftwing. I'm so far RIGHT, Bush is a Socialist ( No Child Gets Ahead... )

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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What's "Due Process" or "Equal Protection" about holding people in US JURISDICTION ( protected via the 14th Amendment) for years without an arraignment when YOU in any State in the nation are pretty much guaranteed a court appearance within 72 hours?

These amendments only apply to citizens here in the US.

I know the talking heads you listen to want you to believe that the constitution only applied to citizens, but that is not true... it applies to people anywhere the US constitution applies

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Leftwing! That's funny. Here's a hint.

OUR RIGHTS COME FROM OUR CREATOR, EVERYONE HAS THEM.

Careful your lefty friends may start to avoid you should you reveal that you belive in a higher power. Most lib's only use religion as a punch line.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Leftwing! That's funny. Here's a hint.

OUR RIGHTS COME FROM OUR CREATOR, EVERYONE HAS THEM.

Careful your lefty friends may start to avoid you should you reveal that you belive in a higher power. Most lib's only use religion as a punch line.

The Constitution LIMITS the Federal Government to only the delegated powers.

Yeah, Leftwing. I'm so far RIGHT, Bush is a Socialist ( No Child Gets Ahead... )

I have more in common with libertarians than with Democrats... so much for your small boxes of left v right.. some of us just know it is all a bunch of made up debate to divide and conquer the people... if we are busy beating each other up then we are not paying attention to things such as private corporations running detention camps on US soil with no oversight from the outside.

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Could you document this? The courts have shown the opposite in fact.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Could you document this? The courts have shown the opposite in fact.

Lots of courts have rules a lot of ways. In a Constitutional Republic, however the CITIZEN is Sovereign, above and beyond the State and Federal governments.
 
Under this theory We as citizens get to interpet the laws for ourselves and judge whether they apply to us? I'll have to remember that next time for traffic court. It hasnt worked in the past.


The Constitution of the United States uses PERSON and CITIZEN in contexts which make it clear that they meant CITIZEN and PERSON as used in that document.

The 5th Amendment, for example, provides that PERSONS get due process, while the first clause of the 14th Amendment specifies what CITIZENS are, then goes beyond that limited definition and extending Equal Protection to ALL PERSONS.

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Please name one U.S. citizen removed from the CONUS to Gitmo. You cant because as a citizen and not an enemy combatant you have rights here. But having to identify yourself to the police is a requirement. as in HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEVADA

As per the Cuba/US Treaty, Gitmo is US JURISDICTION.
Wrong,
WASHINGTON — In a victory for the White House, a U.S. appeals court Tuesday threw out the legal claims brought on behalf of the hundreds of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and ruled that they did not have a right to plead their innocence in an American court.

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As per the 14th Amendment, ALL PERSONS in that Jurisdiction are guaranteed Equal Protection of the Laws. Under the 5th, All PERSONS get Due Process.

What's "Due Process" or "Equal Protection" about holding people in US JURISDICTION ( protected via the 14th Amendment) for years without an arraignment when YOU in any State in the nation are pretty much guaranteed a court appearance within 72 hours?

These amendments only apply to citizens here in the US.

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Could you document this? The courts have shown the opposite in fact.

Lots of courts have rules a lot of ways. In a Constitutional Republic, however the CITIZEN is Sovereign, above and beyond the State and Federal governments.

Under this theory We as citizens get to interpet the laws for ourselves and judge whether they apply to us? I'll have to remember that next time for traffic court. It hasnt worked in the past.


The Constitution of the United States uses PERSON and CITIZEN in contexts which make it clear that they meant CITIZEN and PERSON as used in that document.

The 5th Amendment, for example, provides that PERSONS get due process, while the first clause of the 14th Amendment specifies what CITIZENS are, then goes beyond that limited definition and extending Equal Protection to ALL PERSONS.

So the answer is no then, you cant show like I have. That the Constitution does not extend the right of habeas corpus to noncitizens held outside the sovereign territory of this country
This ruling was from a federal appeals court, Im sure it will be appealed to the supreme court. But until then thats the law.

Your interpetations of the constituton, while fervid rarely hold water.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Raymondvillle TX

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Leftwing! That's funny. Here's a hint.

OUR RIGHTS COME FROM OUR CREATOR, EVERYONE HAS THEM.

Careful your lefty friends may start to avoid you should you reveal that you belive in a higher power. Most lib's only use religion as a punch line.

The Constitution LIMITS the Federal Government to only the delegated powers.

Yeah, Leftwing. I'm so far RIGHT, Bush is a Socialist ( No Child Gets Ahead... )

I have more in common with libertarians than with Democrats... so much for your small boxes of left v right.. some of us just know it is all a bunch of made up debate to divide and conquer the people... if we are busy beating each other up then we are not paying attention to things such as private corporations running detention camps on US soil with no oversight from the outside.