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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 10:02:48 AM

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don't get me started on the blatant demand for "sympathy" of slavery and i do agree with you - when that issue was first mentioned in the Black community here, many were saying "where do i sign up and when do i get my check". problem many of us (unless you have done an extensive research on your family history) don't know where we came from. they probably would be shocked to discover that their ancestors owned slaves themelves (as mine did).

as far as living in the bubble world - so be it. at least i know where i stand in this world and not afraid of expressing very opinionated and racist views here or anywhere else. oh well, i guess that still doesn't make me a twue submissive again.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 10:27:05 AM

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You know, people make blonde jokes all the time that insinuate that because women have blonde hair that they are sexually promiscuous and dumb... I wish people would get as outraged over that. I find blonde jokes to be denigrating to be honest and they never make me laugh.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 10:42:44 AM

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Please do enlighten us more. lockedaway's point may not be universal, but your out of hand dismissal of it without further clarification and substance troubles Me. I don't want to die thinking that, I might have denied Myself some further education by not questioning and seeking illumination.
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It's amazing to me that people use this as an argument for some want to be able to use the "n" word...There is a huge difference....Between the way "lockedaway" uses the word nigger and the way that black folks use the word "nigga." If you can't figure it out then I really don't feel like taking my time to explain it to you.

Sure...but then it is off to work....People (whitey) who get all uptight about their so called eroding of rights, their lack of free speech, when it comes to the blatant "double standard" as applied to the "N" word.

It has really nothing to do with a double standard as it does to applying common sense.

This is how I will start out my explanation...I have a friend...A big dumb white dude...He's about 6'5" and weighs in around 320 or more....He's nice to me but he can be as mean as a snake....So I might walk into his place and say something like, "hey fat ass get up and let's go to the game."...Now he is a friend and it is true that I could call him by his first name or "hey you"...but "fat ass" seems to work out just fine for the both of us......Now it's later and the game is over and we are sitting at some bar enjoying a beer.....Now "leatherorlace" walks in and says "Hey, fat ass move over so I can get a beer."....This is would not be a vey good approach unless you think that a few new dental bridges is a pleasurable thing.....So is there a double standard?...Yep! On your way to the hospital should you be explaining to the paramedic about how it is soooo unfair that I could call him fat ass and you got decked? Or did you just really fail to use any type of common sense when dealing with my friend?

back to the topic at hand...The wonderful "N" word....Primarily when used by whitey you will hear someone say, "look at those niggers." and when you turn your head you will see several black people that the white person was referencing by using the term. The word is meant to be contemptful, hateful show a lack fo respect and usually demean someone to be viewed as less than human....Now of late, when black folks use "the word" it is not nigger but "nigga".....Let us all say it together....First there is "Nigger" ok..It's alright,... go ahead...(all of the white people on CM shout out the word 'nigger" and then sheepishly look around and start to giggle) Ok, very good! And now lets try the word "Nigga." (The white people look perplexed but try to mouth the word, but the majority end up just saying "Nigger" anyways)...Ok..Well, at least you tried.

The word "Nigga" is obviously a derivative of the more popular version "nigger" as used by most caucasions. However when black people use the word 'nigga' is is paramount to a greeting or expressing a level of familiarity towards someone...So, "Hey nigga what's up?" Would be translated into white speak as, "Hi, Carl how are you today?" See the feeling of familiarship...It's just a word to say hey..It might be an attempt to remove the stigma of the word...But nonetheless it is used not as a malicious, hateful word.

So now some dumb asses who don't get the drift will say, "Well if Chris Rock or rapper can use it why can't I?"....First off you have no inclination to talk to a black person let alone try to greet someone on a personal level.
second off, the word "nigga" is officially reserved only to be used by other "niggas" or very, very close friends to the "niggas' in question.

But if you insist that there is still a double standard....And you won't feel whole until you are able to use the word.....Please feel free...Come to Chicago....Stand on 72nd street around the Dan Ryan and shout to the people, "hello my niggers."....You can explain to the paramedic it was just an attempt to make friends...But we know you really are just lacking all common sense.

I think the majority of people would prefer all forms of the word not to be used...But you can't please everyone...I hope my explanation has helped, if not...You are on your own.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 10:49:47 AM

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You know, people make blonde jokes all the time that insinuate that because women have blonde hair that they are sexually promiscuous and dumb... I wish people would get as outraged over that. I find blonde jokes to be denigrating to be honest and they never make me laugh.

My blonde UM knows more blonde jokes than anybody I have ever met in my life.

Go figure.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:02:04 AM

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hmmm peeks below at the following posts* Domiguy im sorry to say but you really make no valid points, atleast with BBBTBW she makes points that I can disagree with but honor, Your just going and on about the same ol' thing. And ive already said earlier that if someone was to say something like Don Imus said about My daughter I would be HIGHLY pissed but would also understand that He is entitled to His opinion, I would know it wasnt right, I would also not want an apology. So keep on yapping bigboy.. You really have no effect on my opinion atleast BTBW makes ya think... *shrugs*

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hmmm well there is a reason people dont really watch... Womens Basketball... they really dont have much talent ....lol call that sexiest dont ya.. we already have a racist black woman, why not have a sexiest white woman against her own sex *Raises hand for the wonderful way of sarcasm* I agree completely with samba, she comes with terms that most African-Americans would never even consider looking at in fear that they would be persecuted for their beliefs by their own race.

Because we don't agree with all her views, we are in fear of being persecuted by our own race? You really do live in a bubble don't you?

hmm not what im saying at all. IM SAYING that most African-Americans know the exact same thing samba is saying yet wont say it becouse they know they will be labelled a "racist" by their own race...Another point being that most African-Americans want sympathy for the "slavery" of their ancestors when I believe its in the 40-50% range (will have to research that, believe I heard that percentage once) are handed almost everything to them and when they turn out to be criminals, in prison, or dead they called out "racism" becouse they turned out "bad". Everyone in this country is handed a free educationa nd with the benefits of financial aid all have the opportunity to go to college, so yes i get tired of the bitching of how there is still so much racism in America...and Al Sharpton wanting all the sympathy for Himself when Don Imus shouts out a comment about "nappy headed hoes" oh gosh the world is going to End... but as Samba is saying a Black Man could say the same thing only equvalent to a "white womans hair" with a hoe or bitch thrown in the end and it would be no big deal ... SO yea perhaps I do live in a "bubble" as you say but I know many Americans who are in this same lil bubble with me

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I never want to be in the same bubble or even have my bubble anywhere near the proximity of yours.

You bich that "whitey" has to watch his words while black people can spew all they want.....Don Imus if you didn't notice hosts a nationally televised program....I would imagine that if three or for black men commented on your daughter and hurled insults at her you would rip right out of your lilly white bubble and grab you some lynchin' rope.

There is no way possible, after reading the tone of your posts, that you would sit idly by while black dudes referred to your daughter on national television as a white trash slut, with a flat ass, who looks like she just came out of a trailer park. You would be sooooo Pissed off!!!! Contacting everyone possible to have them removed....

I think you are dishonest, I think this has little to do with free speech, but how you are so worried about what "whitey" can or can't do....It is after all "our" country....Those damn Mexicans, Asians and Blacks are only here cause we are nice enough to tolerate their existence.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:12:23 AM

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I don't have to think at all when it comes to dealing with someone like yourself....I'v met people like you. I never cared for them, I reread several of your posts...What ales you has nothing to do wih free speech or you would understand that although Imus does have that right to free speech that right does not come without repercussions...Which you don't seem to fully comprehend....But you just really want to bitch how white folks are getting fucked over...Isn't that really what this is all about? poor pathetic Texan girl..."Don't mess with Texas" watch out...They are coming to pick you up.

Maybe you should enroll in a HBCU and get an education...."A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:22:43 AM

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lol you just are a good lil laugh lil man... *giggles and walks off waiting for the next intelligent post becouse we sure know domi wont produce any*

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:25:21 AM

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I find blonde jokes to be denigrating to be honest and they never make me laugh.

But do you have more fun?

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:27:19 AM

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A big deal was made because this is a gateway term to other more offensive comments. If this isn't nipped at the bud now, what is going to stop him and others from calling them Nappy-Headed "N" words next time?

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Imus and his producer and on-air sidekick, Bernard McGuirk, went on to further attack the black members of the team, calling them "jigaboos and wannabees."

These particular terms are blatently racist. So YES he should be taken to task as should anyone else that contributed to the conversation.

I believe in free speech. However, when it only serves to demean people, it should be called to the attention of those making the statements and they should have to atone for their behavior.

I wonder XahleenaXkajiraX how you would feel if he had singled a group of you and your peers out as stringy headed white bitches that were afraid to get naked in front of their husbands. How would that make you feel about yourself? 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

*Disclaimer* The statement in red was used as an example and in no way conveys the beliefs of this poster.

A "Gateway Term?"
What's that? I've never heard that expression before.
That sounds suspiciously like "Political Correctness Speak" to me!
And Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson with their past history shouldn't be criticizing anyone.
I'm just waiting for someone to stand up to those two Bozos and tell them to go and FUCK THEMSELVES!.
Jackson is nothing but an extortionist who shakes down companies for *MONEY* by threatening boycotts of their products.
That's how one of his sons got a Budweiser beer distributership in Chicago.
If you or I did that we'd be in Federal prison.
And "The Reverand" Al Sharpton is incorporated "Alco Inc".
These two are nothing but charletons and shakedown artists.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:29:38 AM

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*sighs happily* well see here domi there is an intelligent post *points to the above post*
Popeye Sir, loved the post!

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:31:10 AM

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I find blonde jokes to be denigrating to be honest and they never make me laugh.

But do you have more fun?

That is besides the point...lol

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My blonde UM knows more blonde jokes than anybody I have ever met in my life.

Go figure.

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But he is a male, so being promiscuous may not be seen as a societal insult to him? Just sayin...

It does not hurt my feelings to have blonde jokes made about me, but I have noticed a double standard that the "knappy headed ho" thing demonstrates beautifully. Being a blonde ho is not an insult the same way as being a knappy headed ho?

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 11:32:42 AM

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yea most blond jokes are more or less directed towards women

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:14:39 PM

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Fast reply: not having read the entire thread.

I think Imus was wrong for saying what he did. I think it was insensitive. But he said it and he did the right thing after he said it and apologized. I am not an Imus fan, but I have heard him and I believe he is sincere.

Here are a couple of things that just piss me off about the whole thing. Jesse Jackson is out on front of NBC picketing for him to be fired.

Umm, Rev. Jackson: Didn't you refer to New York as " hymie town " ? Was that not a racist statement? Should you not have suffered greater consequences for your " mistake"?
And Rev. Jackson ? Did you read the part of the bible that says something about casting the first stone? Or was that omitted in your seminary studies?
Pot-kettle-black, Rev Jackson. You are a hypocrite.

I listened to the press conference by Rutgers and the students today. The coach of the girls basketball team, a black woman herself, called these girls " articulate young women". Didn't Mitt Romney say he thought Obama was "articulate" and take a ration of shit about the use of that word, in reference to black people, being racist? Wasn't this coach saying her girls were a
" bit above" other black girls becasue they were articulate? Wake up America.. calling someone, anyone articulate is a compliment, not a racial slur.

I think it was the president of the Univ who said the school was doing everything possible to get help for these girls so that Imus's words would not Affect their academics. Affect their academics? Puhlease. I highly doubt these young ladies will suffer academically from this event. By all accounts they are excellent students, bright young ladies with a combined grade point average of over 3.6. I just don't see them tossing their books out the window, curling up in a ball and aborting their studies.
I, for one, give them more credit than that.

I think Imus was wrong, but I think the public/media outrage is soo over the top, it sickens me. Is this really the biggest story in America the last two days. Because it has been the lead in story on vitually every news station.

A racist is some one who has a hatred or intolerance of other races. Not some one who uses poor judgement in choosing his words. The word racist has been diluted over the last decade. The word always reffered to the fringe, the lunatic side, such a KKK, Arayans Nation, etc. Nowadays all it takes is one unthought, insensitive word and you are hung out as a racist. It really doesn't have the profoundly negative impact it used to have. 20 years ago, one would be highly insulted to be called a racist, many would be ostrisized from polite company, now it just a word used to refer to someone who is not ubber PC.

And before anyone goes throwing stones at me, I do not tolerate any deragotory names or words in my home. I don't care what color, race, or culture you come from, you just cannot say them in my home. I don't approve of them, and in my home, I expect it to be respected, no matter who you are.
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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:19:39 PM

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I agree, it's all over the top. I've watched Imus a few times (my dad is a fan), I've seen him get excited and carried away with things. I don't see him as a guy who is full of hatred. A guy who makes some bad decisions, yes. He has apologized to those he has offended, he's getting a two week suspension, I think that's enough. I'm tired of hearing about it. Let's move on to Anna Nicole's baby's father.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:22:40 PM

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Right back around to the blond jokes, Katy?

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:26:30 PM

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LOL, Katy.. yeah.... Aren't the paternity test results suppose to come out today ? You're right, all this pre occupation with Imus is overshadowing the important issues of the day. I need to know who the Daddy is.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:29:14 PM

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Do you have any idea what it's like to have a dad who gets his news from Imus and Nancy Grace. I love him, but sheesh. Trust me, my mom will send me an email with news of the baby's daddy. No joke!

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 12:34:52 PM

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He can sound like an idiot at times, IMO. But, (I am not sure many know of this) - he started (and funded) a children's Summer camp for foster kids and orphans, who would otherwise probably not get to go to a Summer camp, due to the expense, so -IMO, he is probably racking up good karma points from somewhere (or maybe they are just cancelling eachother out, so he gets to stay "nuetral").

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 1:02:12 PM

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Larry had the strongest sperm.

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RE: Freedom Of Speech?!? - 4/10/2007 1:07:14 PM

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Is he the father of Anna Nicole- Smith's baby? Really? I thought so all along (I really did).

- Susan

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