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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:14:28 PM   
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Domidude, I posted about ONE situation.
 
3 young college students are DEAD, 1 in the hospital, Focus now.
 
I am talking about this situation, okay?
 
If it is a hatecrime, and I pray it is not, just put on your doo rag and run along.
 
Much better if it is just gang activity, right?
 
 
 



This reminds me ,about when republicans started chiding gays,for getting AIDS.Politicizing disease,shame on them.

I heard republicans(there were no neo-cons back then)say,"why should I pay for the health care of someone who`s as reckless as a guy person?He got himself into trouble,why should we have to pay his hospital bills?"This was before they called themselves "compassionate conservatives"

These assholes wanted to pass judgment on someone,for the way they got sick,rather than just do the christian thing, and care for them.



These were some of my early formations of my political views.


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:16:19 PM   
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I debated whether to post this.
But we post just about everything else here.
 
What is your opinion about the execution style murders of the 3 college students in Newark, N.J.?

Two Suspects In Custody In Newark Killings - News - MSNBC.com

Does the fact that one of the suspects IS an illegal alien, mean anything to you?
 
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 What do you think about growing safety concerns in the U.S.A.?


I dont think it has anything to do with the illegal alien issue at all.   It's just a  Newark thing...people are murdered there like every day. 

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:31:28 PM   
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Kids are shot everyday in this country...It is definitely a pick and choose as to what news a network chooses to show...


       Not like this, DG, and this story was news well before the lawyers were "refusing to clarify his immigration status."

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13824473/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news

       That's pretty fucking cold-blooded, even by Chicago standards.


It's cold blooded...But didn't go national till it was found out that the guy arrested was an illegal....I checked out the above link...according to their doppler 4000 there doesn't appear to be any rain in the N.Y. area....I have no idea whether they need any or not....But I gotta tell ya nothing springs some serious wood into the ol' domidong like a good thunderstorm.

The fact that three black kids were shot in Newark doesn't make NBC or FOX on a national level....Unless they were the Huxtables.

The driving force behind this story as far as being national news is the fact that the killer is illegal....It doesn't discount the fact that it is a horrible crime.....But that is the fact and you know that as well as I.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:33:40 PM   
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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:34:50 PM   
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Owner59: I do realize there are many law-abiding legal immigrants in the U.S. And some illegals - except they're illegal.

Hey, I didn't write the U.S. Immigration  laws. They are what they are. I am aware of all of the arguments about how they help the economy, etc. I think they do help the economy, and I think that's the main reason the enforcement money and a serious method to deal with them  just isn't happening (either someone should do that, or just raise the legal immigration quotas).

That, and of course much of our tax money is being spent on our ill-fated war in Iraq.

domiguy: I concede you do have a point, now that I consider what you said. But still, it's our tax money. But yes, prison is not a great way to live out one's days, for anyone, I imagine. I retract that statement. But I do think he needs to be in prison.

- Susan


True,their illegal status puts them on the moral low ground,but I believe that person to  person,they are harder working,more peaceful and less prone to commit a violent crime,then  US citizens.South and central Americans are more god fearing and reverent,then we are.

It`s also a huge lie,that the government doesn`t want them here.Fact:the money wants them here.Ie,industry,corporate America,the US Chamber of Commerce,really rich people,and some politicians,from both parties,and the President.
Fact:Illegal immigration would dry up,if business owners were thrown in jail,and businesses were confiscated,when caught hiring illegals.In a week,there would be no more "trabajos" for them to do.
But that won`t happen,...the "money" wants loads of cheap labor,to use as a club against unions,and keep the price of labor low,by having more workers,then work.

None of these moneyed interests want to give up the extra profits they get from this.They don`t care about the middle class,who has to deal with the down sides and costs.



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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:42:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Owner59: I don't want to get into a convo about "who's better as a citizen". I know some very nice Mexicans - and I also know some who don't care what their kids are doing after school, whose kids end up juvies by the age of 12. I know, because every day for about 2 years a few years ago, a Mexican family up the street had 3 little kids who stopped by my place after school, and I gave them cookies and let them play with my dogs. Their parents had no idea who I was, or where their kids were when they came to my house - and the kids made it clear to me their parents didn't really seem to care, either. A year or so went by, and one of them was in juvie prison for shop-lifting. It broke my heart. He was 13 years old. Now he's in a gang.

Ditto for plenty of white folks, as well as black folks. Color or national heritage doesn't play into it much, IMO unless you are excluding a lot of other social factors that do play into how people live their lives. All Mexicans are not Catholic, law-abiding citizens. Neither are all white, suburban folk, etc. Nor are they all de-facto criminals. I think you see my point.

As far as the other points you made, I agree U.S. Business is fueling this influx of illegals. That, combined with non-law enforcement (or under-enforcement, for whatever reason) regarding their status as illegals. And the fact the Mexican Prez hasn't enough resources, and possibly back-bone, to make stronger, faster headway making Mexico a place more Mexican people want to live their lives, instead of flee.

There is so much illegal drug money floating around Mexico, that if the law enforcement was stronger there, no doubt there could be a much higher standard of living for the average Mexican citizen. Then they'd have a lot less reason to want to come to the U.S, probably. I find the current governmental reaction to cocaine King-pins, and other major criminals in Mexico to be a very sad scenario. Of course the Mexican government is "trying" -just not all that hard, from what I've read. Government corruption as far as drug laws enforcement is rampant, and is not improving very quickly, either.

I do agree with whoever said that FOX news channel will play up this kind of thing, to the exclusion of any news that some might see as more newsworthy. But then again that's Fox News (I hate Fox news channel, btw).

- Susan

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:45:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I debated whether to post this.
But we post just about everything else here.
 
What is your opinion about the execution style murders of the 3 college students in Newark, N.J.?

Two Suspects In Custody In Newark Killings - News - MSNBC.com

Does the fact that one of the suspects IS an illegal alien, mean anything to you?
 
7Online.com: New York City and Tri-State News from WABC-TV


 What do you think about growing safety concerns in the U.S.A.?


I dont think it has anything to do with the illegal alien issue at all.   It's just a  Newark thing...people are murdered there like every day. 
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Well, I think it does have a lot to do with the illegal alien issue.
They said on Lou Dobbs that there are 18-25 Americans per day now killed by illegal aliens.
Murders, alot of drunken driving accidents and "other" causes I suppose.
Unlike Susan I think we need to end all immigration and for a long time too.
One thing for sure, if it wearn't for this guy and his accomplices those college kids would be alive today.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:45:22 PM   
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It's cold blooded...But didn't go national till it was found out that the guy arrested was an illegal....


Domi,
I'm often in agreement with your posts, but I beg to differ with you on this one. This was national news even before they had a suspect, much less knew what his immigration status might be. I heard about this on many news outlets in several parts of the country before anyone was identified as a suspect.

The fact is that the kids who were shot is what made this a big story. They were just what you hope kids would be, talented, intelligent, motivated, and just plain nice kids. They were the success story in their neighborhood, which just makes their deaths that much more tragic. (and newsworthy.)

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:47:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		         Not gonna fly, DG.  I'm all the way out in CA and 'College students shot execution style' was news here.  This thread is the first I've heard about the killers immigration status, and Mia's first link ducked the assertion.

       Kinda reminds me of when the DC sniper turned out to be a Nation of Islam type and protege' instead of the lone, angry white guy everybody expected.

      I have a lot of sympathy for what drives the illegals to come, but ignoring the criminal and gang element only strengthens the opposition.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:48:58 PM   
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Domidude, I posted about ONE situation.
 
3 young college students are DEAD, 1 in the hospital, Focus now.
 
I am talking about this situation, okay?
 
If it is a hatecrime, and I pray it is not, just put on your doo rag and run along.
 
Much better if it is just gang activity, right?
 
 


Mz Mia, this crime apparently has nothing to do with race....The kids were robbed and possibly sexually assaulted.
The only reason it is national news ( as I commented above is the fact that the asshole who killed these kids is in this country illegally)

When was the last time that you saw a report on a national level about three black kids being shot in the inner city?

Maybe it's your doo rag that is on a tad bit to tight.  3 black kids are dead one is in the hospital....When was the last time that you can ever recall that such a crime made national headlines? I need you to focus now!  Tell me one instance...it can't be that hard.  What makes this story national news?

The only thing that makes this story national news is that the killer is an illegal......You really think that the major networks give a flying fuck about three black kids getting shot in Newark?  They would rather report about Nathan's hot dog eating contest ...It's a story that viewers actually give a shit about.

No one gives a fuck about these kids aside from their families, loved ones and the local news. That is the sad but true fact.

My doo rag is snug and it does make me look like a bad ass as well as extremely Domly.....But I tend to take it off at night....Unless I'm doing the Jheri curl thang.....Anyways, would love for you to tuck me in tonight.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:50:54 PM   
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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:52:18 PM   
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       Not gonna fly, DG.  I'm all the way out in CA and 'College students shot execution style' was news here.  This thread is the first I've heard about the killers immigration status, and Mia's first link ducked the assertion.

     Kinda reminds me of when the DC sniper turned out to be a Nation of Islam type and protege' instead of the lone, angry white guy everybody expected.

    I have a lot of sympathy for what drives the illegals to come, but ignoring the criminal and gang element only strengthens the opposition.


It certainly didn't make news here before the arrest....Mz Mia's provided links are all local. N.Y. N.Y.

Edited to add....it might have made a few paragraphs in the paper....I don't believe the story was televised....I hate to admit that I could be mistaken.....It never sits well with me.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:56:48 PM   
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        Not gonna fly, DG.  I'm all the way out in CA and 'College students shot execution style' was news here.  This thread is the first I've heard about the killers immigration status, and Mia's first link ducked the assertion.

      Kinda reminds me of when the DC sniper turned out to be a Nation of Islam type and protege' instead of the lone, angry white guy everybody expected.

     I have a lot of sympathy for what drives the illegals to come, but ignoring the criminal and gang element only strengthens the opposition.


Heritic, I don't have ANY sympathy for them.
Let their own countries and governments have sympathy for them or not.
I just don't want them in my country.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/10/2007 11:58:58 PM   
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It's cold blooded...But didn't go national till it was found out that the guy arrested was an illegal....


Domi,
I'm often in agreement with your posts, but I beg to differ with you on this one. This was national news even before they had a suspect, much less knew what his immigration status might be. I heard about this on many news outlets in several parts of the country before anyone was identified as a suspect.

The fact is that the kids who were shot is what made this a big story. They were just what you hope kids would be, talented, intelligent, motivated, and just plain nice kids. They were the success story in their neighborhood, which just makes their deaths that much more tragic. (and newsworthy.)


HaveRopeWillBind is correct.

And especially the last sentence.

Not for nothing,Newark in recent years,has really turned around.My first job was there,in '78'.It was grey,dirty,poor,and crime filled.As a kid,my church group came to a certain street,(Bedford St.),to do house repairs and yard clean ups.It was as bad as it gets.

In the last ten years,the whole place has changed.every time I`m there,I see yuppies and sharp dressed business people.It`s like NYC,with the hustle and bustle.Not at all like it used to be.

This is truely a set back.




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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:00:52 AM   
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      Not gonna fly, DG.  I'm all the way out in CA and 'College students shot execution style' was news here.  This thread is the first I've heard about the killers immigration status, and Mia's first link ducked the assertion.

    Kinda reminds me of when the DC sniper turned out to be a Nation of Islam type and protege' instead of the lone, angry white guy everybody expected.

   I have a lot of sympathy for what drives the illegals to come, but ignoring the criminal and gang element only strengthens the opposition.


Heritic, I don't have ANY sympathy for them.
Let their own countries and governments have sympathy for them or not.
I just don't want them in my country.


I can understand your sentiments....I would like to fuck Jessica Alba tonight...It's unfortunate for both of us....It just doesn't appear that either scenario is going to be played out anytime to soon.

Edited to add.....Good night you CM freaks!

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:05:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry DomiDude, your usual story won't work here tonight.
 
This WAS national news here in the Washington Post and local t.v. news and nationwide since it happened last weekend.
 
You really can't use your same old argument every time something new happens.
 
I don't understand those that attempt to downplay this as no big thing, it happens every day.
 
IF you really feel that way, so be it, but for some of us...it IS NEWS, it IS INTERESTING and we will be following it.
 
If you don't like it, and it does not interest YOU, just move along then, nothing to see here.
 
LOL
 
Go tuck yourself into bed.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:08:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		MzMia, with passive/aggressives it's not about the substance and facts, it's about the "The Argument."

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:17:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was news before they had arrested anyone.

It became bigger news when people found out that one of the arrested suspects was an illegal alien.

And it became even bigger news when people found out that the illegal alien had already been released on bail TWICE this year.  Evidently no one thought to check his residency status.

A third suspect has been arrested, by the way:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20219712/

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:19:01 AM   
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   I have a lot of sympathy for what drives the illegals to come, but ignoring the criminal and gang element only strengthens the opposition.


Heritic, I don't have ANY sympathy for them.
Let their own countries and governments have sympathy for them or not.
I just don't want them in my country.



         I'm having a bit of an anniversary this weekend, Popeye.  It was 10 years ago that I piled my stuff and a puppy into a $200 car and left the place I still consider "home."  The only jobs were crappy and I wanted better.  I travelled 1000 miles, and started from scratch.  In some ways, the only difference between me and most immigrants is that when I crossed into CA, the only question they asked was if I had any fresh fruit in the car (and I lied about the bag of apples.)

       I made the journey, and took the risk, because I wanted a better quality of life.  If I had been south of LA, instead of north, I'd have done exactly the same thing, but probably sooner.

       We HAVE to fix our immigration policy, but slamming the door and loading up the busses ain't gonna work.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:25:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heretic, of course that would work.
It worked for many periods in our history.
Even if we were to "fix" immigration we simply can't let illegals remain in the country.
That won't work.

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