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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 3:37:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

substobbws, please go back to the beginning of THIS thread that I started.
Read all the nasty remarks and innuendos made towards me.
Thank you and have a great day.


I know. Hey, I simply made a comment on another board about what may have been a large number of the dependency class making their way out days after Katrina and was told not to step on my robe! If some people can't defeat the message, they go after the person with insults and/or generalizing labels.

It's ironic. The same people who will cry "children" when it comes to more honest people owning guns, supposedly for what they think will be the best net result, all of a sudden will start quoting to you how most of the illegals are otherwise law abiding, and the few bad apples who would commit attrocities such as what happened to those kids are all of a sudden worth the risk?

If our borders were protected like they should be, those murderers more than likely wouldn't have been here and those kids would still be alive. I'll pay a little or a lot more money for my goods to get that.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 3:47:10 PM   
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What gets me is when suggestions of racism come out when there's no evidence of it. The people crying racism the most often seem to be the ones perpetuating the perception that it's there. You can't be outspoken about one thing without defending something that you're not.


Nowhere is there a suggestion of racism. I would suggest you go back and read the OP again and you'll find that there's none anywhere there or in any of the following of Mz Mia's posts. Your assumation of racism is perceptional. In fact, if you read the OP Mz Mia was hesitant to post the story. Perhaps for that exact reason of it desinigrating into one of racism and bigotry. I won't try to speak for her reasoning as to why she hesitated but I think that that would be one of the reasons I would do so.

Popeye makes a rather important point in his humorous post. Not every illegal immigrant is hispanic. While the illegal person in this situation does happen to be of hispanic descent in regard to the OP, however, not every illegal immigrant is hispanic. From personal experience I've known scientists, consultants and techies from China, Europe, New Zealand, Mexico and anywhere in between that were here on work visas that simply stayed on in the US after their visas were up. They would be here just as illegally as anyone else. Regardless of whether they entered into the country via a legal means, once they have chosen to remain after that visa expires they then are here via illegal means.


I'm being misunderstood and put on the wrong side here. The word "bigot" quickly came up on the first page. I couldn't see a reason for that. I'm agreeing with you and Mz Mia.

I'm the one who's said more than once that if I could walk into Canada and earn ten times what I do here, I'm there. It's their government's fault if it turns a blind eye and lets me in.

We are too financially soaked by our government at all levels for there to be any excuse for the current situation.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 3:52:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Thank you Jo!

It has come to the point, that many are scared to post or comment on anything, because the
RACE card is always played by so many people.


That's what I'm saying! How can I be agreeing with you and it appear that I'm not?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 4:04:02 PM   
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I think it is from the statement that I bolded in red. IMO it comes across as saying that you read on this thread people are  lowering themselves by using personal attacks and insults to prop up a weak position.
Maybe like how you saw the word 'bigot' and reacted to the word and not the post it was in?

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ORIGINAL: substobbws

Normally when I pay for something and don't get it, I want my money back. If you were to poll U.S. citizens, do you not think a majority would say that controlling our borders are one of the things we pay for? Not only have we not gotten what we've already paid for, but we will be forced to finance whatever programs they come up with, whether they work or not. At least pass a national sales tax and force them to pay income tax when they spend their money when there's a way to, eliminating part of the earning advantage they have from dollar one by not having deductions, making legals a little more competitive.

Concerning the use of the word bigot. I'm new on this board, but it doesn't surprise me considering what we're already going through on the gun control thread. Personal attacking and insulting are seen as obvious crutches to prop up what you must already think are weak positions, otherwise you wouldn't see the need to lower yourself to using them. I don't possess the lack of intelligence required to use them.

If I could walk across the Canadian border and make ten times what I do here? I bet I might see a lot of you there! It's their government's fault if they let me in. How about we only protect our southern border as well as Mexico protects it's own southern border, because they don't want competition for dollars being sent home. These people coming here, if their home countries would get rid of their own corruptions and adopt capitalism, they wouldn't have to come here in the first place. The world either hates us, is trying to get here, or both.


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 4:05:40 PM   
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When we talk about illegal immigration we are speaking about Hispancis....That is where the problem lies...If you want to spend your time rounding up the illegal Irish or Black/African-Carribbean people in this country go right on ahead....You would be wasting a great deal of your time and resources....It's one thing to say things that sound cute....It is quite another to not acknowledge what and where is the actual source of the problem.

I think people who get uptight about illegal immigration are for the most part cattle....Followers...This was never a concern till someone brought this to their attention that this is one of the sources of all of their problems....If we kicked every illegal out of this country you know how much the majority of all of your lives would change?  What then?  You know, those fuckers from Belize have not been exactly pulling their weight of late....Let's get rid of them.

It's rather sad.


Did someone mention Hispanics?

Since approximately 90% of the media votes Democrat and the majority of the media seems to want to downplay illegal immigration as you're doing, I wouldn't call people wanting those laws enforced "Followers."

I don't want the legal U.S. citizen to have to compete against anyone who has an earning advantage due to their having no income tax or social insecurity deductions. I don't want that same citizen to have to overpay more than they already do for healthcare, insurance, infastructure, etc, to make up for what illegals use and don't pay into. I want our government to stop failing to do what we pay for it to do in this area.

When people from countries more corrupt than ours can walk in here and send money home, what incentive is there for those countries to bother changing their conditions?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 4:16:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

I think it is from the statement that I bolded in red. IMO it comes across as saying that you read on this thread people are  lowering themselves by using personal attacks and insults to prop up a weak position.
Maybe like how you saw the word 'bigot' and reacted to the word and not the post it was in?


I'd say that, and the fact that the same person who jumped to invoke that word had just said this ridiculous thing about me on page 8 of the gun control thread. My impression was that it was just more baseless villainizing.

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Even if you thought it was real,you wouldn`t care.It could never happen to you or your loved ones,right?.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 6:24:40 PM   
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Funny when people say "otherwise law abiding."
It's a federal felony to enter the country other than through a legal "Port of Entry."
It's a federal felony to use another's social security number or card.
It's a federal felony to use the USPS to mail money that was obtained illegally. "Mail Fraud"
If you use a wire service it's "Wire Fraud" a federal felony.
It's a federal felony to hire, harbor or shelter an illegal alien.
How many U.S. Citizens are in jail for Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud right now?
But illegal aliens get a "pass" on this?
As for "racism" "Hispanic" is not a "Race", it's an ethnic group.
When we get rid of Bush we need to have some type of Bounty system in place so that citizens can start getting involved in getting illegals I.D.'d arrested and deported.
And I'd be in favor of a huge prison in the dessert to put the scumbags who hire illegal aliens. Let them break rocks in the heat.
Hard labor.
We need to get our govt. to start Enforcing our laws.


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 7:29:46 PM   
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When we talk about illegal immigration we are speaking about Hispancis....That is where the problem lies...If you want to spend your time rounding up the illegal Irish or Black/African-Carribbean people in this country go right on ahead....You would be wasting a great deal of your time and resources....It's one thing to say things that sound cute....It is quite another to not acknowledge what and where is the actual source of the problem.

I think people who get uptight about illegal immigration are for the most part cattle....Followers...This was never a concern till someone brought this to their attention that this is one of the sources of all of their problems....If we kicked every illegal out of this country you know how much the majority of all of your lives would change?  What then?  You know, those fuckers from Belize have not been exactly pulling their weight of late....Let's get rid of them.

It's rather sad.


Did someone mention Hispanics?

Since approximately 90% of the media votes Democrat and the majority of the media seems to want to downplay illegal immigration as you're doing, I wouldn't call people wanting those laws enforced "Followers."

I don't want the legal U.S. citizen to have to compete against anyone who has an earning advantage due to their having no income tax or social insecurity deductions. I don't want that same citizen to have to overpay more than they already do for healthcare, insurance, infastructure, etc, to make up for what illegals use and don't pay into. I want our government to stop failing to do what we pay for it to do in this area.

When people from countries more corrupt than ours can walk in here and send money home, what incentive is there for those countries to bother changing their conditions?


If you want to go after the illegals then go after the employers who hire them....You cannot possibly blame anyone who comes here looking for "more."  Many illegals do have taxes withheld....Many I'm sure do not. For the most part it is rather obvious they work the jobs that many are not willing to do.

It is all bullshit....The majority of you that bitch would see no changes in your lives or lifestyle if every illegal in this country miraculously dissapeared....You have found someone that you can pin all of your frustrations to.

Has anyone noticed how much is being wasted on this war or how shitty our school systems have become?  How about the outsourcing of our workforce?

You tell me that illegal immigration deserves all of the attention that it is getting and I will say you are full of shit....It has become the hottest new dance since "banning gay marriage '04."  That was a catchy little number....It seemed to fall off the charts right after the election.  This will pass as well....

I wonder what will be your next rallying cry?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:24:28 PM   
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lol good one Owner59

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:34:48 PM   
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They should have tightened the borders 300 years ago when the europeans first tried to settle.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:36:10 PM   
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I seriously doubt that durus.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:36:48 PM   
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Well, they tried scalping'em, but they didn't realize that the Europeans had their heads up their asses.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:50:29 PM   
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They should have tightened the borders 300 years ago when the europeans first tried to settle.


Are you a comedian?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:56:24 PM   
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Funny when people say "otherwise law abiding."
It's a federal felony to enter the country other than through a legal "Port of Entry."
It's a federal felony to use another's social security number or card.
It's a federal felony to use the USPS to mail money that was obtained illegally. "Mail Fraud"
If you use a wire service it's "Wire Fraud" a federal felony.
It's a federal felony to hire, harbor or shelter an illegal alien.
How many U.S. Citizens are in jail for Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud right now?
But illegal aliens get a "pass" on this?
As for "racism" "Hispanic" is not a "Race", it's an ethnic group.
When we get rid of Bush we need to have some type of Bounty system in place so that citizens can start getting involved in getting illegals I.D.'d arrested and deported.
And I'd be in favor of a huge prison in the dessert to put the scumbags who hire illegal aliens. Let them break rocks in the heat.
Hard labor.
We need to get our govt. to start Enforcing our laws.




Can't happen. They replaced all the honorable USAttys with Fundamentalist Religious Nuts and otherwise "Loyal Bushies".

Probably went through and purged all the Federal Employees at the DOJ, too.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 8:58:40 PM   
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Here again, we have an example of the media going apeshit over an issue ('mass murder') in order to draw light over another (immigration).

It's pitiful that people fall for it.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 9:02:58 PM   
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Does the fact that one of the suspects IS an illegal alien, mean anything to you?


Not especially.  Last I heard there were four suspects, not two. One potential or probable illegal alien, and three probable Americans. Does the fact that the majority of the four suspects are so far NOT claimed to be anything other than US citizens mean anything to you?

The reason why US immigration is so much of a joke is because the system is endemically corrupt. Many mainstream businesses are organised around the availability of cheap illegal labour. They provide the honey that brings in the bees, and the people who come in for those jobs and can;t get them anre then pushed into crime. If you really want to stop it, crack down on the businesses that pump money into this system and lure people across the border. Any time a business is caught knowingly employing illegals, you find who is responsible for the company policy and make them spend twelve months in prison. Sorted. 



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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 9:13:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Here again, we have an example of the media going apeshit over an issue ('mass murder') in order to draw light over another (immigration).

It's pitiful that people fall for it.



Maybe it's just b/c I'm a New York Jew, but "Execution Style Killings in NEWARK" didn't especially strike me as a noteworthy headline in the first place.

And uh, DUH. They didn't have papers? No shit? REALLY??? In NEWARK, NJ?

I'm shocked.



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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 9:45:32 PM   
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The scandal shouldnt be the fact the guy is illegal. It should be the fact that he has been bailed for serious crime twice alread this year, but still released.
The same thing happens in the UK, on a fairly regular basis. Innocent till proven guilty and all that, but what about the safety of the general population.

The main problem in the UK has been the politicians.  Blair and the Tories were competing for headlines for ten years to try to prove who was the toughest on crime and the causes of crime, and while they were happily chasing Daily Mail headlines and whipping up public outrage, they let the basic infrastructure go all to hell.

Blair and the Conservatives would both tell you that in order to cut crime we have to crack down hard, and lose some of our civil liberties, and mount initiatives, and increase surveillance. Crime  was our fault. But Blair was never really arsed to look after the basic boring everyday functions where the state was supposed to have a duty of care. The Soham murders showed that, while we were told that we all have to be watched more carefully and put onto lists of potential offenders, police and the Home Office weren't even bothering to make sure that information on actual criminals was being shared properly.

Some Interpol guy recently said that UK policy was a joke. Interpol have a database of wanted criminals that the French check 700,000 times a month. You enter France, they check whether you are already a wanted mass murderer. Ditto, if they arrest you or pick you up on some other charge. Any time the security services check someone's ID, they check if there's a warrant out for them.
In the UK, we only check the database fifty times a month. Total. That probably means that we have one conscientious civil servant somewhere in the country doing their job the way it ought to be done, and generating those fifty hits. Either we haven't told the other guys that the database exists, or we haven't wired their terminals up to it.
 
The Interpol guy was saying that it was pathetic.  You cross the UK border by plane and  everyone makes a big fuss about your little bottle of water, but nobody bothers to check your passport against the "wanted criminals" database. It's nothing to do with human rights legislation or stupid European restrictions, its just that the people running the Home Office have been more interested in media coverage tha making sure that the system works. The emphasis is on media  perception and campaigns and initiative rather than making sure that people are doing the boring paperwork properly.

http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/09/interpol_database_terror_criticism/

Politicians like to prioritise fund new things that get them on TV. It helps them get elected. They don't care so much about basic maintenance of the essential systems they've inherited from someone else.  

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 9:49:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Funny when people say "otherwise law abiding."
It's a federal felony to enter the country other than through a legal "Port of Entry."
It's a federal felony to use another's social security number or card.
It's a federal felony to use the USPS to mail money that was obtained illegally. "Mail Fraud"
If you use a wire service it's "Wire Fraud" a federal felony.
It's a federal felony to hire, harbor or shelter an illegal alien.
How many U.S. Citizens are in jail for Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud right now?
But illegal aliens get a "pass" on this?
As for "racism" "Hispanic" is not a "Race", it's an ethnic group.
When we get rid of Bush we need to have some type of Bounty system in place so that citizens can start getting involved in getting illegals I.D.'d arrested and deported.
And I'd be in favor of a huge prison in the dessert to put the scumbags who hire illegal aliens. Let them break rocks in the heat.
Hard labor.
We need to get our govt. to start Enforcing our laws.




Can't happen. They replaced all the honorable USAttys with Fundamentalist Religious Nuts and otherwise "Loyal Bushies".

Probably went through and purged all the Federal Employees at the DOJ, too.

You seriously think that it is conservative/republican attorneys that are failing to prosecute illegal aliens?  It's not liberal organizations like the ACLU, racist organizations like La Racia, and their willing counterparts in the media portraying these lawbreakers as innocent victims just trying to make an honest living in a tough world who get the sheeple to protest any time someone wants to *gasp* enforce the laws that are the ones behind this?  When legislators try to pass laws to enforce existing laws (Like here in Carrolton, TX where they passed a city ordinance requiring landlords to verify citizenship before renting an apartment) the cries of "Racist!" echo off the walls, and it's not the "loyal bushies" chanting it en espanol while holding Mexican flags.  It's not the ACLJ filing a lawsuit to prevent the ordinance from going into effect.  It's not the Texas Republican Committee handing out signs to protesters when they show up outside city hall.  I know, I've seen it with my own eyes.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 9:56:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: abusablepaintoy

You seriously think that it is conservative/republican attorneys that are failing to prosecute illegal aliens?


I think that since their major qualification is that they're both Religiously and Politically reliable makes the notion of "Justice" laughable.

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It's not liberal organizations like the ACLU, racist organizations like La Racia, and their willing counterparts in the media portraying these lawbreakers as innocent victims just trying to make an honest living in a tough world who get the sheeple to protest any time someone wants to *gasp* enforce the laws that are the ones behind this?


Without FAIR AND EQUAL enforcement of the Law, why pick on people at the bottom of the ladder.

When the USAtty has asked a Grand Jury to indict Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, et. al. for the crimes committed when they lied to The People and Congress about the supposed risk posed by Iraq's government, and the Federal Marshals have taken them into custody pending arraignment, THEN you can sit on a high-horse and dictate that the illegals should be cracked down on.

After all, Bush's lies *ARE* responsible for the deaths of ever Iraqi and US Soldier since we invaded and occupied.

What is the problem people have with prosecuting the alleged murderers of a million people?



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