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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 10:05:03 PM   
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Wow, way to totally avoid my statements and avoid the question.  Not once did you respond to anything I said directly, only going into talking-point Bush-bashing.  And the "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" argument hasn't worked for about 2000 years.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 10:07:58 PM   
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Bashing Illegals or Bashing Bush.

I know what side I come down on.

Don't let the Boss Class use the fake Illegal Residents vs. Legal Residents/Citizens conflict they're manufacturing to distract us from the needed task of holding the REAL CRIMINALS responsible for their alleged crimes.

Try Bush first, then we can discuss the illegals is all I'm saying.



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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 11:29:29 PM   
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Funny when people say "otherwise law abiding."
It's a federal felony to enter the country other than through a legal "Port of Entry."
It's a federal felony to use another's social security number or card.
It's a federal felony to use the USPS to mail money that was obtained illegally. "Mail Fraud"
If you use a wire service it's "Wire Fraud" a federal felony.
It's a federal felony to hire, harbor or shelter an illegal alien.
How many U.S. Citizens are in jail for Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud right now?
But illegal aliens get a "pass" on this?
As for "racism" "Hispanic" is not a "Race", it's an ethnic group.
When we get rid of Bush we need to have some type of Bounty system in place so that citizens can start getting involved in getting illegals I.D.'d arrested and deported.
And I'd be in favor of a huge prison in the dessert to put the scumbags who hire illegal aliens. Let them break rocks in the heat.
Hard labor.
We need to get our govt. to start Enforcing our laws.




Can't happen. They replaced all the honorable USAttys with Fundamentalist Religious Nuts and otherwise "Loyal Bushies".

Probably went through and purged all the Federal Employees at the DOJ, too.

You seriously think that it is conservative/republican attorneys that are failing to prosecute illegal aliens?  It's not liberal organizations like the ACLU, racist organizations like La Racia, and their willing counterparts in the media portraying these lawbreakers as innocent victims just trying to make an honest living in a tough world who get the sheeple to protest any time someone wants to *gasp* enforce the laws that are the ones behind this?  When legislators try to pass laws to enforce existing laws (Like here in Carrolton, TX where they passed a city ordinance requiring landlords to verify citizenship before renting an apartment) the cries of "Racist!" echo off the walls, and it's not the "loyal bushies" chanting it en espanol while holding Mexican flags.  It's not the ACLJ filing a lawsuit to prevent the ordinance from going into effect.  It's not the Texas Republican Committee handing out signs to protesters when they show up outside city hall.  I know, I've seen it with my own eyes.


"You seriously think that it is conservative/republican attorneys that are failing to prosecute illegal aliens? 

Yup,sad but true.bush and corporate America want this flood of cheap labor.Fuck the middle class. Of course they say what they think we want to hear,but they`re content to have it both ways.Any tough talk by bush is bull shit.Going after the aliens them selves ,is only so affective.That policy is, by design inaffective.If bush wanted to really stop the flow,he would go after employers, which would be a 100 times more efficient,a 1000 times more affective.But,by design,they are de facto,allowing more and more illegals in.


" It's not liberal organizations like the ACLU, racist organizations like La Racia, and their willing counterparts in the media portraying these lawbreakers as innocent victims"

They can say what they want,it`s the feds who are letting them in,and it`s the employers who are drawing them here,and it`s the employers who are paying them money.They are the bigger culprits here,because they`re Americans and they`re making a windfall profit from this,at our(the middle class`)expense.Of the feds,bush,the employers,and us,...it`s us that`s getting screwed,not them.

If the feds went after the employers,illegal immigration would dry up rapidly.Don`t hold your breath,the moneyed interests want things as they are.As sad as that sounds.....

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 11:46:42 PM   
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Of course I see your point, punkin.  The majority of the folks who get their undies up in a bundle don't live on border towns....Sure it is something to be concerned about...But sweety pie, I wonder what would be the effect on your life if we as a country got rid of all of the illegals....Your property values are tremendous which would be in contrast to having a serious problem with illegals marginalizing the value of your land...insurance has always been high in Ca compared to much of the U.S.  ....Maybe health insurance costs might decrease....But a burrito might cost $1,000.00  ....trade offs...Trade offs.


Whew. That was a long night but I'm going to reply now...

OK sweet cheeks, why exactly do you think that ins. costs have always been higher in CA? Because we have more people without ins. that cross the border here. Therefore we have more people on the road without insurance (or licenses for that matter) having accidents. What happens when an uninsured motorist has an accident? Who pays those damages? The insurance company ends up having to pay for it and then rates go up accordingly.

I'm not, nor will I ever say, get rid of all illegals. What I'm saying, and always have said is make it tougher to cross illegally and then make it easier to go through the legal channels to become an American citizen. If someone is here illegally and commits a crime, prosecute, and then deport them to serve that time in their country. Look, I work with and know ALOT of illegal immigrants. Every one of them works their asses off and are so thankful to be in this country. They would love to become citizens if it was much easier to do so. The fact is that it can take years to go through the legal channels.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 11:48:04 PM   
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Dang Jo, you aren't working THAT hard are you?

That does not seem right.



Yes, I did. No it doesn't does it. Sigh. I even broke a nail. I hate it when that happens.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 11:50:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Perhaps a quick hand job might be in order...Those manicured nails would look great feverishly going up and down the domidong.....Have fun....I haven't had a hand job in years..Am I missing anything?

edited to add...Mz Mia keep out of our bidness.


I wouldn't know, I don't usually give hand jobs. Last time I did I was wearing gloves. Perhaps if you beg pretty I might consider it. But I wouldn't bet on it.

hush now DG. Be nice to Mz Mia.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 1:04:04 AM   
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I wish I came in on these on page one or two but here I go on 6.  First, I had no idea students were shot or who did the shooting.  Thank you for alerting me to this fact.  It saddens me when anyone hauls off and shoots another person.  It also saddens me when others here make the person asking the question (MS Mia) defend her/his honor or thoughts against racism, bigotry or any other factors.  They then spout on about their own ideas or someone else's agenda.  Liberal or Conservative, the shooting was a horror, the suspect (not guilty until proven otherwise) was illegal.  As in not legal.  Already here by the term a crime.  Liberal or Conservative, there is a problem.  Yes, I believe people should be able to increase their lot in life but I believe it should be done by legal means.  If I did not believe that to be so, then I would not let morals come into play if my sons decided to lift a candy bar from the closest store.  Laws and morals are put into play to help keep society together.  Change is good that is what Our Liberal and Conservative friends in Washington are suppose to work on together.
 
Yes, the USA has problems with Illegal Aliens, many other countries do as well.  We also think of maybe just Latinos as our biggest problem but they are just one group.  There are many others that come, from Europe, Middle East, China.  They may come by walking, boat or flying. (some even die in the wheel wells of planes)  Once they are here and stay past their visas they are illegal.  A whole boat came into San Francisco Bay and were made to leave.  One boat never made it to port and was turned around.  These ships had hundreds of people on them all illegal.
 
I know when I see this on the news my heart wrenches for them some will go back and most likely will get shot for leaving China.  So don't just think the problem lies south of our border.
 
Now as for murdering those students, if the suspect is tried and convicted I too believe in the death penalty and the right of speedy trials and speedy appeals.  I also would love to see a few of these people actually say "yes" I did it.  That would be refreshing.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 5:10:33 AM   
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If you want to go after the illegals then go after the employers who hire them....


I agree 100% with going after the people who hire them (which tells me that you DO care about this issue), along with stopping them at the border, and deporting all that can be rounded up.

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You cannot possibly blame anyone who comes here looking for "more."


Surely you cannot possibly get the idea that I would, since I'm the one who's said over and over that if I could walk across the Canadian border and make ten times more? The illegals are doing what I'd do if I were in a their shoes and a government was lacking in it's job to the point that I could just walk in. In how many countries can you just do that?

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Many illegals do have taxes withheld....


"Many?" That's a convenient variable term that I hear on the news when they're trying to get biased points across. That's the kind of shit that, when they say it, I raise and eyebrow and ask "Wait. What the fuck did they just say?" That's an opinion, not a statistic.

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Many I'm sure do not. For the most part it is rather obvious they work the jobs that many are not willing to do.


I'll grant you that most U.S. citizens (since "many" ,LOL, illegals ARE Americans) couldn't do a season of stoop labor picking vegetables if they had to. Like I said, it started with the migrant farm worker, which nobody seemed to care about. If you've ever done farm work (I have), you know about the work vs the pay.

I know over twenty years ago I roofing houses around Atlanta and illegals were coming in cutting rates, and legals, including myself, WERE being run out of that industry then. The people I contracted with were originally from Texas, and it's why they moved to Atlanta in the first place. This is NOT a problem that just started.

How many more have come in since then and how many occupations are they working in/displacing legal jobs in? I'd say a LOT (which is "much" more than "many", LOL). And that's an opinion, not a statistic. 

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Has anyone noticed how much is being wasted on this war or how shitty our school systems have become?


The war would be another thread in itself. If money is what you think would help our schools, then why would you not have a problem with something that may be hurting our economy? Why would you not care about people working who don't pay taxes to go INTO those shitty schools? I guess as long as "many" do?

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 How about the outsourcing of our workforce?


What's the difference between jobs being outsourced to foreign countries and people from foreign countries coming here to do the work? How can you claim to care about one and not the other?

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You tell me that illegal immigration deserves all of the attention that it is getting and I will say you are full of shit....It has become the hottest new dance since "banning gay marriage '04."  That was a catchy little number....It seemed to fall off the charts right after the election.  This will pass as well....

I wonder what will be your next rallying cry?


You're still making assumptions about the people you disagree with. Why would you think that people will care less about a problem that will only continue to grow unless things are done to stop it? Do you not think that it's possible for us to become as poor as the countries these people are coming from if we just leave the floodgates open, basically telling the world to come on in?

When we say "Illegal", of course the majority of the people we're talking about happen to be Hispanic, just because that's what the majority of the illegals happen to be. If the majority of them were Irish, then that would be the case. Again, you're the one injecting ethnic background into the discussion.

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It is all bullshit....The majority of you that bitch would see no changes in your lives or lifestyle if every illegal in this country miraculously dissapeared....


Nostradamus? "I believe" the prices of many goods and services would go up, but that there would be a net benefit because the workers earning more to provide those goods and services wouldn't be sending a portion of their money to a foreign country. It would all get spent right here. Didn't you mention outsourcing already? Oh, but it's the illegal "insourcing" that doesn't matter to you. Only one does. 

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You have found someone that you can pin all of your frustrations to.


That's you making yet another assumption about the people you disagree with. "Followers" who have found someone to pin frustrations to. Again, attack the people if you can't beat the message.

On the other post it seemed to me like you were attempting to marginalize anyone with a differing view by calling them "Followers." What should they call you? Uncaring? Why do you care enough to bother to oppose what others are caring about? Maybe they should call you the "Caring Uncaring" instead. 

I want what we've already been paying for. How would border security not be right up there with defense? Why would you have one and not the other?

If there was a way to guarantee that an illegal coming in here to work had to face the same deductions from their pay and all the other expenses that would put them on an even competing playing field with legal U.S workers, I might have a lot less of a problem with it. What I care about the most in this is the UNFAIR situation that it forces the legal U.S. worker into. It's not what I'm trying to keep illegals from. It's what I want to see legals protected from. You care about outsourcing, but you don't care about that?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 5:20:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: abusablepaintoy 
You seriously think that it is conservative/republican attorneys that are failing to prosecute illegal aliens?  It's not liberal organizations like the ACLU, racist organizations like La Racia, and their willing counterparts in the media portraying these lawbreakers as innocent victims just trying to make an honest living in a tough world who get the sheeple to protest any time someone wants to *gasp* enforce the laws that are the ones behind this?  When legislators try to pass laws to enforce existing laws (Like here in Carrolton, TX where they passed a city ordinance requiring landlords to verify citizenship before renting an apartment) the cries of "Racist!" echo off the walls, and it's not the "loyal bushies" chanting it en espanol while holding Mexican flags.  It's not the ACLJ filing a lawsuit to prevent the ordinance from going into effect.  It's not the Texas Republican Committee handing out signs to protesters when they show up outside city hall.  I know, I've seen it with my own eyes.


There you go. Must be another "Follower" who got all that off the news.    (Before anyone confuses me again, I'M KIDDING!)

It IS ironic that the "American" Civil Liberties Union isn't out prosecuting illegals, because that would be protecting legal U.S. citizens.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 6:11:37 AM   
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First off, the ACLU is not in the prosecuting biz.....Isn't it ironic that if you can't understand that simple aspect and yet you expect people to put value into the rest of what you have to say.

It would be ideal if everyone here was here on a legal basis.....What I'm suggesting is that the majority of you were not complaining about this topic until it became the flavor of the week......Everything that you think would be improved...From the infrastructure to health care will still be in shambles regardless of the illegal immigration problem....Is it something that should be corrected?...Sure it is a major problem.

What I'm saying is that it is simply the topic "du jour" and "most" Americans weren't focused on this particular topic until it became something that was being bandied about nightly by the likes of Lou Dobbs and the rest of "the pointers not solvers.".....They could  give one rats ass whether this problem ever is really solved....It keeps their fat asses on the tube and gets "white America" the chance to blame something and someone else for the problems they face today.  It sells....That is the only reason it's on the teli. 

I sincerely hope that our government comes up with a plan that will remove the illegals from this country...Either by making them legal or kicking them out.....If they don't come up with a serious work plan, penalize employers drastically who hire illegals, or diligently guard are borders nothing is going to change.  All of the money wasted on the notion of "Homeland Security" doesn't mean shit if you are not willing to secure our borders.  Or does it point to the fact that maybe the terrorists aren't such a serious threat after all? (sorry a bit off topic) 

For the sake of argument, let's say they do all of the above.....The government legalizes or tosses them out..You think things are going to change?  The work will still be undercut because the immigrant worker will always get by on less....More people per household...Very few indulgences, they will always be able to compete against an unskilled workforce. 

Then what are you going to bitch about?  People get sucked in by the media and government circus all of the time regardless of the topic....Your favorite news channel says here is the problem....And the sheeple all nod their head in agreement....Wow, if we just correct this problem life will be like is was back in my grand pappy's day....And the Lou Dobbs keep talking....On to the next topic that will make things the way they used to be.... and whether change comes or not....The end result is that you are still standing in the crap.....Maybe we should start shooting the Lou Dobbs of this world....

It might be easier.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 7:59:40 AM   
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They should have tightened the borders 300 years ago when the europeans first tried to settle.


Are you a comedian?


Actually, would have to go back 1000 years to when the Vikings settled.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 10:14:00 AM   
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First off, the ACLU is not in the prosecuting biz.....Isn't it ironic that if you can't understand that simple aspect and yet you expect people to put value into the rest of what you have to say.


If that's the one thing you could pick out to counter me with? I don't think I'm doing that badly. You're talking about people putting value in what I say? AGAIN, going after the person, even if it's in this very small way? What I was saying was that IF the ACLU were to prosecute illegals, it would be protecting, or defending (if you will) American citizens.

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It would be ideal if everyone here was here on a legal basis.....What I'm suggesting is that the majority of you were not complaining about this topic until it became the flavor of the week......Everything that you think would be improved...From the infrastructure to health care will still be in shambles regardless of the illegal immigration problem....Is it something that should be corrected?...Sure it is a major problem.


I can't speak for the majority but, like I said, I was run out of an industry over 20 years ago because of this, and the people I was contracted had been earlier displaced by it. You're making statements that I don't think you can back up with anything regarding infastructure and healthcare. I don't see how they couldn't be better without the extra drain on them. Incomes from jobs that used to pay income tax now don't. Would they be better to the point that they wouldn't fit your definition of shambles? Who knows? I can't accurately predict that, though you seem to know.

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What I'm saying is that it is simply the topic "du jour" and "most" Americans weren't focused on this particular topic until it became something that was being bandied about nightly by the likes of Lou Dobbs and the rest of "the pointers not solvers.".....They could  give one rats ass whether this problem ever is really solved....It keeps their fat asses on the tube and gets "white America" the chance to blame something and someone else for the problems they face today.  It sells....That is the only reason it's on the teli.


You're still assuming and speaking to the intentions of people. There you go injecting ethnic background again. I suppose illegals only displace the jobs of white people? I thought you said above that this IS a major problem? But the people who feel that they're effected by it, why, they're just using it to explain why they have other problems? You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You're still attacking people instead of just what they say. 

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I sincerely hope that our government comes up with a plan that will remove the illegals from this country...Either by making them legal or kicking them out.....If they don't come up with a serious work plan, penalize employers drastically who hire illegals, or diligently guard are borders nothing is going to change.  All of the money wasted on the notion of "Homeland Security" doesn't mean shit if you are not willing to secure our borders.  Or does it point to the fact that maybe the terrorists aren't such a serious threat after all? (sorry a bit off topic)


I agree except that I believe it will absolutely change--by continuing to get worse. I wonder how many are walking in as we type this? I was just wondering this earlier about the disconnect between defense and border control. If you come at us with a weapon, we'll blow your ass away better than anyone else can. If you just want to walk in and be a financial drain on our systems, why, come right in! What kept you? LOL. 

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For the sake of argument, let's say they do all of the above.....The government legalizes or tosses them out..You think things are going to change?  The work will still be undercut because the immigrant worker will always get by on less....More people per household...Very few indulgences, they will always be able to compete against an unskilled workforce.


Our government is so fiscally irresponsible, even the Republicans who are nowhere NEAR being fiscal conservatives, that, yes, I'm sure if every illegal here today were paying in all the ways that legals are, our government would find a way to waste it. That's another issue altogether and one that I'm GLAD to go round and round with anyone over. 

If you're an employer and there's no illegal to hire, or no savings for you or them in the way of benefits, matching social insecurity, etc, why take the risk if there's no incentive to? Like I said, my main concern is the legal U.S. worker being on an even playing field with them. Make them pay what everyone else does and see how cheaply they really want to work. 

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Then what are you going to bitch about?  People get sucked in by the media and government circus all of the time regardless of the topic....Your favorite news channel says here is the problem....And the sheeple all nod their head in agreement....Wow, if we just correct this problem life will be like is was back in my grand pappy's day....And the Lou Dobbs keep talking....On to the next topic that will make things the way they used to be.... and whether change comes or not....The end result is that you are still standing in the crap.....Maybe we should start shooting the Lou Dobbs of this world....

It might be easier.


I'll be bitching about the same things I do now, because I doubt any of them will be fixed. 

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/12/2007 11:41:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

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Of course I see your point, punkin.  The majority of the folks who get their undies up in a bundle don't live on border towns....Sure it is something to be concerned about...But sweety pie, I wonder what would be the effect on your life if we as a country got rid of all of the illegals....Your property values are tremendous which would be in contrast to having a serious problem with illegals marginalizing the value of your land...insurance has always been high in Ca compared to much of the U.S.  ....Maybe health insurance costs might decrease....But a burrito might cost $1,000.00  ....trade offs...Trade offs.


Whew. That was a long night but I'm going to reply now...

OK sweet cheeks, why exactly do you think that ins. costs have always been higher in CA? Because we have more people without ins. that cross the border here. Therefore we have more people on the road without insurance (or licenses for that matter) having accidents. What happens when an uninsured motorist has an accident? Who pays those damages? The insurance company ends up having to pay for it and then rates go up accordingly.

I'm not, nor will I ever say, get rid of all illegals. What I'm saying, and always have said is make it tougher to cross illegally and then make it easier to go through the legal channels to become an American citizen. If someone is here illegally and commits a crime, prosecute, and then deport them to serve that time in their country. Look, I work with and know ALOT of illegal immigrants. Every one of them works their asses off and are so thankful to be in this country. They would love to become citizens if it was much easier to do so. The fact is that it can take years to go through the legal channels.


SDFem, if someone is here illegally they've already committed numerous crimes.
Crimes for which you or I would be prosecuted and jailed.
Mailfraid, entering illegally, ID fraud, etc.
Those are all felonys.

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