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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:44:52 PM   
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While I have studied the writings of the religion, I do not consider myself a Christian.  One reasons is this sort of tendency on members of the Religous Right to not care for the afflicted as their Religious tenets dictate they should.

Mother Theresa was a Christian.  Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, AnencephalyBoy, strike me as people who have fallen far from the path the alleged founder of the religion set for his followers to walk.


I hear a lot of people with that sentiment and I think it's very sad. On the other hand government giving your tax dollar to some poor soul doesn't make you charitible. I would be willing to bet Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson et al. have given more of thier own money to charities then the overwheming majority of people that call them hypocites. (not that I care for people that sell god via infomercial)

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:45:35 PM   
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Let me clear up something here.  I am in the proces of learning Spanish.   I enjoy being around Hispanics and I
enjoy living in a diverse mult-racial and multi-cultural community.
 
There is a big difference between having issues with illegal immigration and disliking other cultures.
No one here has stated that Hispanics were criminals, bad people or whatever.
I enjoy being around and embrace Hispanics.
 
I have issues with people of any race that are here illegally.
I have a right to feel that way, and that does not make me in any sense of the word a "racist".

We should be able to post headline stories, without having to defend ourselves for posting NEWS.

That said, I posted this story, because it is front page news.
It is a situation that happened, period.
 
There will always be people that take information and twist it, and put a spin on it to fit their own motives
or political agenda.
 
This is a sad and tragic story, period.  It is what it is and it is news.
I have noticed that whenever anyone posts anything controversial on here, if the suspects are Black or Hispanic,
it is always the same situation.
 
If anyone of any race, creed or color is in this country illegally and commits a heinous crime, be assured I will probably post it.  
**I don't care if they are Black, White, Green, Yellow, Purple, Pink or Blue.**
**I also will not care if they are Hispanic, African, Arabic, Chinese, Russian,etc.**
 
 
 


< Message edited by MzMia -- 8/11/2007 1:09:22 PM >


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:49:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Let me clear up something here.  I am in the proces of learning Spanish.   I enjoy being around Hispanics and I
enjoy living in a multi-cultural community.
 
There is a big difference between having issues with illegal immigration and disliking other cultures.
No one here has stated that Hispanics were criminals, bad people or whatever.
I enjoy being around and embrace Hispanics.
 
I have issues with people of any race that are here illegally.
I have a right to feel that way, and that does not make me in any sense of the word a "racist".

We should be able to post headline stories, without having to defend ourselves for posting NEWS.

That said, I posted this story, because it is front page news.
It is a situation that happened, period.
 
There will always be people that take information and twist it, and put a spin on it to fit their own motives
or political agenda.
 
This is a sad and tragic story, period.  It is what it is and it is news.
I have noticed that whenever anyone posts anything controversial on here, if the suspects are Black or Hispanic,
it is always the same situation.
 
If anyone of any race, creed or color is in this country illegally and commits a heinous crime, be assured I will probably post it.  
**I don't care if they are Black, White, Green, Yellow, Purple, Pink or Blue.**
**I also will not care if they are Hispanic, African, Arabic, Chinese, Russian,etc.**
 
 
 



What gets me is when suggestions of racism come out when there's no evidence of it. The people crying racism the most often seem to be the ones perpetuating the perception that it's there. You can't be outspoken about one thing without defending something that you're not.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:50:12 PM   
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MzMia, correct.
Being of Irish descent I would arrest and deport the illegal Irish FIRST, just to set the example.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:52:19 PM   
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We aren't exactly being overrun by illegal Irish immigrants, popeye.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:54:43 PM   
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substobbws, please go back to the beginning of THIS thread that I started.
Read all the nasty remarks and innuendos made towards me.
Thank you and have a great day.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 12:59:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

MzMia, correct.
Being of Irish descent I would arrest and deport the illegal Irish FIRST, just to set the example.


Popeye, you gave me my first BIG laugh of the day.
Come here and let me spank you.
 
I personally will round up each and every Black person/or African-Caribbean person, that is here illegally and contact the authorities.

< Message edited by MzMia -- 8/11/2007 1:04:37 PM >


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 1:24:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

We aren't exactly being overrun by illegal Irish immigrants, popeye.


There's quite a few in places like Boston, NYC, Philly, Chicago, L.A. and S.F.
I don't really care which country illegals are from, they need to go back to those countries.
In this state we're going to be getting rid of a U.S. Senator who voted for Bush's (And mostly big businesse's) "Amnesty" Bill. (Lindsey Graham)
When Bush (The Big Business Mouthpiece) leaves things are going to change.
Even Hillary Clinton said that we can't tolerate millions of illegals in the country.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 1:32:23 PM   
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What gets me is when suggestions of racism come out when there's no evidence of it. The people crying racism the most often seem to be the ones perpetuating the perception that it's there. You can't be outspoken about one thing without defending something that you're not.


Nowhere is there a suggestion of racism. I would suggest you go back and read the OP again and you'll find that there's none anywhere there or in any of the following of Mz Mia's posts. Your assumation of racism is perceptional. In fact, if you read the OP Mz Mia was hesitant to post the story. Perhaps for that exact reason of it desinigrating into one of racism and bigotry. I won't try to speak for her reasoning as to why she hesitated but I think that that would be one of the reasons I would do so.

Popeye makes a rather important point in his humorous post. Not every illegal immigrant is hispanic. While the illegal person in this situation does happen to be of hispanic descent in regard to the OP, however, not every illegal immigrant is hispanic. From personal experience I've known scientists, consultants and techies from China, Europe, New Zealand, Mexico and anywhere in between that were here on work visas that simply stayed on in the US after their visas were up. They would be here just as illegally as anyone else. Regardless of whether they entered into the country via a legal means, once they have chosen to remain after that visa expires they then are here via illegal means.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 1:40:45 PM   
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Thank you Jo!

It has come to the point, that many are scared to post or comment on anything, because the
RACE card is always played by so many people.

I am a Black woman, and heaven forbid I ever say anything that could be perceived as a negative comment about any other Black person, or I will be called everything but a child of GOD.
 
Jo?  I think we are only allowed to safely talk about White people these days.


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 1:56:58 PM   
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When we talk about illegal immigration we are speaking about Hispancis....That is where the problem lies...If you want to spend your time rounding up the illegal Irish or Black/African-Carribbean people in this country go right on ahead....You would be wasting a great deal of your time and resources....It's one thing to say things that sound cute....It is quite another to not acknowledge what and where is the actual source of the problem.

I think people who get uptight about illegal immigration are for the most part cattle....Followers...This was never a concern till someone brought this to their attention that this is one of the sources of all of their problems....If we kicked every illegal out of this country you know how much the majority of all of your lives would change?  What then?  You know, those fuckers from Belize have not been exactly pulling their weight of late....Let's get rid of them.

It's rather sad.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:20:17 PM   
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We all are allowed to state our opinions, that is the beauty of America.
 
I love to hear a variety of opinions, it would be boring to only listen to people that agreed with me.
 
I can agree to disagree without being insulting, belittling, accusatory, acting inflammatory, name calling, etc.
 
I enjoy hearing your opinions, thanks DG. 
 

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:20:33 PM   
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I think people who get uptight about illegal immigration are for the most part cattle....Followers...This was never a concern till someone brought this to their attention that this is one of the sources of all of their problems....If we kicked every illegal out of this country you know how much the majority of all of your lives would change?  What then?  You know, those fuckers from Belize have not been exactly pulling their weight of late....Let's get rid of them.

It's rather sad.


I'm so far off the sheeple meter it isn't funny. I get uptight about illegal immigration (and have for years) because it's a daily issue I deal with accordingly where I live. As I said, there are good and bad issues in dealing with the topic. True, it has become a more national issue and of national debate lately. For those of us that live in areas that are considered border areas however the financial and economic impacts have been seen and felt for years.

You are of course more than entitled to your opinions and thoughts on the matter. I respectfully do see your point on the matter. The question is...are you able to respectfully see MINE as well for having a much more daily interaction (for over a decade) in regard to the issue?

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:31:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I debated whether to post this.
But we post just about everything else here.
 
What is your opinion about the execution style murders of the 3 college students in Newark, N.J.?

Two Suspects In Custody In Newark Killings - News - MSNBC.com

Does the fact that one of the suspects IS an illegal alien, mean anything to you?
 
7Online.com: New York City and Tri-State News from WABC-TV


 What do you think about growing safety concerns in the U.S.A.?


It doesn't mean much to me, Mia, because good and bad don't recognize borders, meaning, there are plenty of homegrown killers and nuts, and there are illegals that wouldn't  hurt a fly.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:33:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

When we talk about illegal immigration we are speaking about Hispancis....That is where the problem lies...If you want to spend your time rounding up the illegal Irish or Black/African-Carribbean people in this country go right on ahead....You would be wasting a great deal of your time and resources....It's one thing to say things that sound cute....It is quite another to not acknowledge what and where is the actual source of the problem.


Actually, if you're looking at the crime side of the equation, it's no joke, at least on the East Coast... there are significant criminal (primarily drug) organizations made up of Haitian, Jamaican, and Dominican immigrants, mostly illegals.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:43:45 PM   
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Of course I see your point, punkin.  The majority of the folks who get their undies up in a bundle don't live on border towns....Sure it is something to be concerned about...But sweety pie, I wonder what would be the effect on your life if we as a country got rid of all of the illegals....Your property values are tremendous which would be in contrast to having a serious problem with illegals marginalizing the value of your land...insurance has always been high in Ca compared to much of the U.S.  ....Maybe health insurance costs might decrease....But a burrito might cost $1,000.00  ....trade offs...Trade offs.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:47:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Of course I see your point, punkin.  The majority of the folks who get their undies up in a bundle don't live on border towns....Sure it is something to be concerned about...But sweetypie I wonder what would be the effect on your life if we as a country got rid of all of the illegals....Your property values are tremendous, insurance has always been high in Ca compared to much of the U.S.  ....Maybe health insurance costs might decrease....But a burrito might cost $1,000.00  ....trade offs...Trade offs.


Alrighty then pumpkin blossom. I'm off to work my little manicured nails to the bone...but I'll get back to you on this.

I shall return.



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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:49:14 PM   
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Dang Jo, you aren't working THAT hard are you?

That does not seem right.


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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 2:50:43 PM   
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Perhaps a quick hand job might be in order...Those manicured nails would look great feverishly going up and down the domidong.....Have fun....I haven't had a hand job in years..Am I missing anything?

edited to add...Mz Mia keep out of our bidness.

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RE: Newark Mass Murder Suspect Is An Illegal Alien - 8/11/2007 3:18:11 PM   
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The scandal shouldnt be the fact the guy is illegal. It should be the fact that he has been bailed for serious crime twice alread this year, but still released.
The same thing happens in the UK, on a fairly regular basis. Innocent till proven guilty and all that, but what about the safety of the general population.


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