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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:35:36 PM

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Male lions taking over a pride will kill the offspring of the defeated male they displaced. They do not eat them-they murder.

That act is done so that the lionesses become reproductively ready sooner for them to mate with. This line of reasoning could go on forever…if we are talking ‘violence’, the animal kingdom is best left at the discover channel. What I think would be more on point would be HUMAN interactions. Unless anyone has some 'animals gone kinky' stories,in which case I'll get FOX on the phone and we can start a TV show up; they need all the reality shows they can get with the strike.

I agree, time to get back on topic.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:36:47 PM

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Why ask me for examples, if all you really want is affirmation of what you *want* to believe? Finding ways to dodge my information and trying to bend it to fit your cozy little world is pretty futile.

You can be as nasty as you like to me and as insulting as you want... coming up with instinctive actions of "violence" in animal kind does not make them as "violent" overall as humans can be and show themselves to be. I find it quite amusing when people talk about "brute animals" when in reality human beings are probably the most brutal of all.

Sure animals kill out of instinct, animals play with their food out of instinct, animals will run you down and kill you out of instinct... but for the most part they do not kill for blood lust and out of sadistic desires... that is primarily a human trait...

Now feel free to tell me you will not reply to me again and then do so, feel free to take my posts to other people and pick them apart after you say you won't, and feel free to prattle on about how in control doms are over themselves as you do these things...

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:39:31 PM

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Maybe this is why the action hero thing is so popular. The "hero" does some pretty evil things in the course of battling evil in a lot of it-much gratuitous violence. All justified by his being a "good cause" of course. Maybe it's a bit like bdsm-a way to justify doing something otherwise seen as evil?

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:51:01 PM

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*ahem *

So…was chatting with the boy today and he got all quite and asked:
“I was wondering if I could get an honest answer…”
“Of course! What’s up?”
“Do you…do you really enjoy abusing me?” [mind you, ‘abuse’ is being used relatively here, and within a BDSM context]
*short pause* “yes”
“Really? I mean, you really enjoy it?”
“Yes, I must say that I do..”
At which point, I could tell from the sound of his voice that I had put him quite in ecstasy with this confirmed knowledge.

Now, I bring this up b/c I immediately though of this topic (sad as that may be) I am by no means known as a ‘violent’ person, but I have noted that the dynamic I have with him brings out my greatest sadistic streak and that I, in general, react best to the fear, tears, and trembling of an intense scene. I very rarely yell, have good body and voice control and generally run my scenes with the utmost attention to safely, but, to be frank, often very brutal. He loves it b/c while not a masochist, he loves the loss of control given over to me, and I love the intellectual challenge of getting him there.
We have been focusing a lot of the male aura…how about some comments on the female aura…

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:54:04 PM

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We have been focusing a lot of the male aura…how about some comments on the female aura…

Is the female aura different from the male one?

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:55:37 PM

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Having said that, I have to admit, truly in due respect Mad Rabbit, that I was also surprised to see what you have written. You & I have had disagreements on these boards, and not always amiable ones, I admit. I assure you this does not come from a place of antagonism, and I hope you receive it as such.

Hey...sometimes I pout and it needs to be pointed out, even if I don't take it well

. In all honesty, I really don't take anything too personal here.

I wanted to reply to one quote from this and the rest I will reply in private when I have time. All of it positive and amiable as well, but just in hopes of keeping this from going into an endless clash of differing opinions on a subject that we probably can't see eye to eye on.

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What I see in your posts is a man who struggles with this very dark nature within. Who has a near hatred in judgment of a man who, from what I am seeing (admitting my perception may be incorrect but it's what I see in your words), demonstrates himself as being something that you find inside of yourself - something dark, violent, seductive, "wrong", and alluring). Perhaps you have such disdain for him because you haven't come to terms with this same entity within.

This, however, is related to the subject at hand and I think is worth giving a public reply to since I have shared some things.

I agree completely and your right. My feelings are my feelings and they are there, but logically I know where they stem from. Someone I can't remember once said "If you hate someone, you don't hate the person, but something inside of yourself."

The truth of the matter is that when I was a teenager, I was very much like this man. I've spent a lot of time trying not to be that person anymore and have no intentions of ever going back. He is a mirror of things I want to forget. The times I speak up against him or get on his case for what he does to people is my way I suppose of making for things I did in the past. Sometimes I just want to grab and shake him and say "Don't you see what the hell you've allowed yourself to become?"

I want to say that I don't really hate him though as much as I hate his behavior. There is sympathy and pity and compassion mixed in with my disqust for him.

Amazingly enough, he has a strong, burning hatred for me and I wonder why that is. I guess we both see things in each other. I see the past and he sees perhaps the future he wants.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 4:55:43 PM

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I've learned a great deal of refinement in my own sadism from watching female Tops at work.

Many seem a great deal less concerned about the pleasure of the bottom-and this seems to multiply thier power. I have to admit to admiration of these sorts, and being a bit of a copycat.

Even to the point of denying my own orgasms,etc..to get there. Gotta love a good Sadist.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:10:00 PM

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Is the female aura different from the male one?

That's what I would like to open up for discussion; a worthy topic IMHO.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:14:16 PM

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Power and violence are not the same. Power is psychological, a moral force that makes people want to obey. Violence enforces obedience through physical coercion. Those who use violence may manage to temporarily impose their will, but their command is always tenuous because when the violence ends, or the threat of it lessens, there is even less incentive to obey. Control through violence requires constant vigilance.

Violence is the weapon of choice for the impotent. Those who don't have much power often attempt to control or influence others by using violence. Violence rarely creates power. On the contrary, groups or individuals that use violence often find their actions diminish what little power they do have.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:16:28 PM

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Smoke and mirrors are a much better way to impose power. Usually because people are too apathetic, stupid and lazy to weed the bs out from the facts used to support it.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:18:31 PM

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Is the female aura different from the male one?

That's what I would like to open up for discussion; a worthy topic IMHO.

Quite worthy.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:22:51 PM

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Women are certainly capable of violence, but what about this "aura"?

Men don't, or rarely, fear women in the way women do men. What does this mean for the "aura"?

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:25:10 PM

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Smoke and mirrors are a much better way to impose power. Usually because people are too apathetic, stupid and lazy to weed the bs out from the facts used to support it.

Can’t say as I can agree. For me it is more action and/or non-action. I often say ‘The most dominate thing one can do s walk away. That could be from just about anything: a fight, a relationship, a bad movie…whatever. The willingness to admit to yourself (and/or others) that whatever it is is no longer of value to you, that strikes me as a form of power. It is action where one’s power forms and follow through proves to you and the external world that you are not ‘smoke and mirrors’.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:26:47 PM

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Smoke and mirrors are a much better way to impose power. Usually because people are too apathetic, stupid and lazy to weed the bs out from the facts used to support it.

Can’t say as I can agree. For me it is more action and/or non-action. I often say ‘The most dominate thing one can do s walk away. That could be from just about anything: a fight, a relationship, a bad movie…whatever. The willingness to admit to yourself (and/or others) that whatever it is is no longer of value to you, that strikes me as a form of power. It is action where one’s power forms and follow through proves to you and the external world that you are not ‘smoke and mirrors’.

I was speaking more about politics than personal relationships. And anyone that has to borrow power from others is showing a lack in themselves.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:27:34 PM

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Women are certainly capable of violence, but what about this "aura"?

Men don't, or rarely, fear women in the way women do men. What does this mean for the "aura"?

I have been told that I have that ‘aura’ of violent power, which is why I brought up the topic. I refuse to believe that I am the only one told that.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 5:33:07 PM

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Women are certainly capable of violence, but what about this "aura"?

Men don't, or rarely, fear women in the way women do men. What does this mean for the "aura"?

I have been told that I have that ‘aura’ of violent power, which is why I brought up the topic. I refuse to believe that I am the only one told that.

And, of course, having said aura doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with fear. There is a lot of eroticism involved.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 6:02:11 PM

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Ever worry about it going to far, though? Or is the payoff worth the risk? (if you see it as a risk)

Truthfully; I never even thought that far ahead. You have to understand, that when I was given the chance to let it all go; I could not even form a coherent thought. However, despite the fact that my partner was extremely sadistic, cruel, and yes, violent also...he never once let his control slip...

So, I would have to say, that I never worried that HE would ever take it too far...I did Know and worry sometimes that I would take it too far.

If that makes any sense at all .

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 6:05:25 PM

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Is the female aura different from the male one?

Only in being less common. A person with a violent nature is a person with a violent nature.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 6:06:44 PM

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I heard someone say once, "I want a man who would be capable of killing me but would never actually follow through with it..."

LA, does what xiam wrote above define "aura of violence" to you?

It doesn't have to go quite that far for me. :) More a touch of chaos/instability that lends itself towards physical violence.

It also might be attractive to me because I think I have it in myself. It took a long time for me to become ok with knowing I have that violent side of me, and yes that would including the absolute knowledge that I would consciously and willingly kill another person. A like to like attraction.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 6:20:36 PM

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Ever worry about it going to far, though? Or is the payoff worth the risk? (if you see it as a risk)

So, I would have to say, that I never worried that HE would ever take it too far...I did Know and worry sometimes that I would take it too far.

If that makes any sense at all .

Too far by being violent, or allowing too much violence to yourself?

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